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Post by jo on Oct 21, 2013 18:59:20 GMT -5
Maybe it was the editing to shorten the movie to a more manageable 2.5 hour length, but the real relationship of Gavroche to Eponine was only implied in the film. He was shown looking so sad when Eponine died in Marius's arms...and later on, when Marius looked for him to ask to bring a letter for Valjean, Gavroche looked like he has just been crying. But he never had the chance to say " She was my sister." in the movie.
The movie also shortened two songs, A Little Fall of Rain and Drink with Me. At first, I felt sad that they had to do that with two of the most poignant songs in the musical. But then I realized that singing the whole duet with Marius would have dragged the death scene of Eponine and would have been too long a pause during that rainy morning when they were all tense and waiting for the government forces to slaughter them. Drink With Me, on a night also full of tension, if sung fully would have toned down the atmosphere of the young revolutionaries trying to show a brave face ( because it would have emphasized the camaraderie too much - they were there for " a higher cause") in the face of impending death the following morning.
I think comparisons with the musical and the book will come every now and then, so maybe watching the movie after a distance of time... from having read the book or played the last concert or cast recording ...will make one appreciate the entire movie even more fully, all on its own!
I did that the other day...and I have begun to appreciate the movie, by itself, even more so!
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Post by suefb on Oct 21, 2013 21:23:41 GMT -5
In some ways, I'm glad I saw it without ever having seen a stage production or any of the other film versions or reading the book (which I read subsequently). Until I saw it, I knew very little about the plot - really only that Javert is chasing Valjean, a lot of people die, sewers feature in some way, and Valjean dies in the end. For newbie me, the movie stood fully by itself. Of course, it's a classic tale, so the story itself sucked me in. And the music and lyrics served the purpose of advancing the story and enhancing the drama. There was really no music-for-music's sake, which is something that often bugs me about musicals.
Honestly, EVERYTHING about it floored me. But mostly Hugh's performance.
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Post by birchie on Oct 23, 2013 15:25:48 GMT -5
Just a couple of additions, comments etc on some of the previous posts... I did love how much participation was given to the Gavroche character in the film and also, as I've said many times, that they did the passing of the notes correctly. In the script, and it was mentioned in an interview with someone from the film, Gavroche is asked why he's crying after Eponine dies and he says that she was his sister, but that scene was eliminated in the final cut of the movie. I think that was a good decision since there had been no other hint of their relationship. Also as noted Mm Thenardier had no use for her sons but doted on her daughters as much as she was capable of anyway. She had two daughters, Eponine and a younger sister Azelma. In the book Azelma and Monsieur Thenardier are the only survivors and she accompanies him to America where he becomes part of the slave trade...not a stretch to be sure LOL. We never learn what becomes of the younger two boys but I don't think there was a high probability of their surviving once Gavroche died. Also both the Thenardiers were arrested but only the father escaped and Gavroche helped his gang do that. The mother died in prison.
I was glad they shortened A Little Fall of Rain, and still think it's too long in the stage show, but I would have preferred the full Drink With Me number. I think it was a poignant review of how important these boys were to each other and that they new it was their last night together. I do think most of the musical changes, additions & deletions were very much for the better, for the flow of the story, putting certain emphases where they belonged, enhancing the character arcs etc.
Finally, as I mentioned last week, even watching a very good theater production made me want to see the movie again. I watched it the day after I saw the stage musical and it reaffirmed my belief that this film is a masterpiece! By that I mean how beautifully it combines all three mediums...the novel, the musical & film...into one perfect package! I will never get tired of watching it. Sue
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Post by jo on Oct 29, 2013 4:17:33 GMT -5
I had responded to that recent Entertainment Weekly comment on Les Miserables ( in relation to the Broadway casting) where the author dissed Russell's performance on an aside. While looking for comments on Russell's singing in the movie, I came across this blog on Russell's singing voice and acting forte -- www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/64434/in-defense-of-the-pub-voiced-russell-crowe-in-les-miserablesVery interesting and humorous Do check out the entire feedback for some interesting comments! Would you rather get a stage actor who can sing the notes ( not necessarily articulate the real message of the lyrics) but not emote very well in a film adaptation of the musical that was based on a monumental work of literature? I know what I like ... and I am happy with my choice PS: Mr. Likable! Or Mr. Charisma! Not going to comment any further as he did have his share of brickbats in the role - LOL! Jo
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Post by jo on Oct 29, 2013 4:36:28 GMT -5
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Post by mamaleh on Oct 29, 2013 9:20:41 GMT -5
Good finds, Jo. I liked Duchak's comment about how not many musical theater veterans could sing live for up to 14 hours daily. Take that, Harris et. al.
Pierce's piece was interesting, but I don't quite remember a scene in which Fantine was "beaten to a pulp." And I take exception to his statement that Crowe (whom I thought was very effective as Javert) was the "only real actor" in the movie. I think he's confusing the character of Javert and his arc with Crowe. Many theater pundits over the years have said that Javert is the more interesting character because of his flaws and how his character evolves. On the other hand, Valjean's humanistic character, after the first few scenes, was pretty firmly established and carried throughout the film, and Hugh did a brilliant job with it, as evidenced by his Oscar nomination. The roles are simply very different.
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Post by jo on Oct 29, 2013 9:43:10 GMT -5
I actually disagree with that - these theatre pundits are confusing the character in the novel with the way the stage Javerts have portrayed the role. I have seen Les Miserables 9 times and all the Javerts that I saw played it the same way. One-dimensional - all anger and disdain, even the suicide song was sang not as a final moment of personal contemplation but to reach the last seat in the balcony! Show off the notes - not the emotion! If they had not rumpled his hair at the bridge ( for the suicide) -- he looked exactly the same since he first appeared on the stage. The true character arc that was more similar to the man in the novel was what Russell Crowe partly portrayed in the movie - something that too many people did not acknowledge, no matter how true. In the film, one can see the inner conflict that beset his character, even from the beginning ( e.g., going to M Le Maire to confess that he wrongly reported M Madeleine to the authorities). His STARS in the movie was all about his contemplation of his moral code, whether he is following the right path or not. He was not shouting to the stars ( as stage Valjeans are wont to do), but rather looking for guidance from above as to whether he is being right in what code he follows. Some people say that it is quite difficult for a saintly man to be seen as interesting, let alone fascinating, as he does not commit sins or thinks ill of others ( both very human traits )! LOL - I guess that is the "curse" of portraying St. Jean Valjean! When he attempts to show moments of selfishness ( in the moments before Bring Him Home, when he first receives the Marius letter)-- he is derided for his attitude about losing his daughter, when he attempts to show moments of selflessness as he sings Bring Him Home, they diss his singing. When you think of it, the Jackman intrpretation of Bring Him Home is to paint the character arc of the father Valjean - from selfish Dad to selfless Dad! Yet people only want Papa Valjean to let the notes ( not the impassioned prayer) soar to the heavens smiley-rolleyes010 Sorry, if I sound a little bitter Jo
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Post by mamaleh on Oct 29, 2013 10:43:16 GMT -5
Jo, of course I bow to your much more thorough knowledge--and appreciation--of all things LES MIZ. I'm sure over the years you have read those BroadwayWorld comments, too, about how a good Javert is the key to a successful production of the musical, etc. I'm not sure I agree with that but there is certainly plenty of room for a lively divergence of opinion. And it's certainly true that "the snake gets all the lines" as playwright Jean Kerr once put it, a nod to how characters perceived as "villains" usually are more interesting. So much can depend on the director's vision!
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Post by jo on Oct 29, 2013 11:19:44 GMT -5
It is how a role is originated onstage, which becomes the permanent template for all replacement casts including the transfer casts. In the case of Javert -- I actually think that people perceive his role to be more interesting because he has the better-sounding soliloquy ( Stars) and his death is more dramatic ( Suicide Song and how London/Broadway showed the suicide). Plus he gets to wear that stern face all the time! Unfortunately, the way the original stage Valjean was directed to sing his Soliloquy was all rumbling, almost unintelligible, singing on stage ( and he walks around the spinning turntable -- nothing as picturesque as that chapel/outside the chapel/into the air scene that we saw with Hugh/Valjean. So, that song never stuck. Most theatre fans only remember the last part where he sings falsetto with " ...take flight!". Lol - were they mad when that part was omitted in the movie...Who Am I became famous because of his soaring notes ( when he sings " Who Am I --I'm Jean Valjean" and sings the immortal "24601"), but never because it is really the real song of redemption which can be sung almost to himself as Hugh does in the early part of the song. Maybe I am not sounding like a real fan of musical theatre -- but I do think that sometimes there is too much emphasis on the music and not the characterization. In a dramatic musical, the characterization plays as important a role in advancing the story. That is why, compared to most musicals, sometimes plays come out to be the more intellectually richer experience, if not as dazzling. But I am a great fan of the music of Webber, Rodgers and Hammerstein, Lerner and Lowe, Boublil and Schonberg et al - the oldfashioned melodies. I also like literature, although I do not read as much anymore, and when there is a chance for it to be adapted into another medium, I also like to see the characters to come alive -- not just because he is assigned a beautiful song to sing. Ahhh... it is late ( for me, it's past midnight) -- time to pack up my laptop Jo
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Post by birchie on Oct 29, 2013 14:42:20 GMT -5
Jo, I had to laugh: "If they had not rumpled his hair at the bridge ( for the suicide) -- he looked exactly the same since he first appeared on the stage."I always thought that was the stupidest thing...Javert deciding "let me just mess my hair up before I kill myself, that'll show 'em" ...probably done for affect by the first stage Javert then forever copied! When I saw that local production a couple weeks ago, I was relieved to see that Javert went to his watery grave with his hair perfectly in place! Sue
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Post by jo on Nov 22, 2013 9:03:54 GMT -5
From the press release re the casting of the Broadway stage revival --
I wonder how many BluRay, DVD, and on Demand choices have been purchased re the movie musical. The worldwide box office topped at $ 442 million, but total revenues could very well come close to $ 500 million from the home video releases and on Demand sales, plus the soundtrack sales?
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Post by jo on Nov 22, 2013 16:12:41 GMT -5
It looks like it has actually exceeded the $ 500 million total revenues mark. In domestic DVD/BluRay sales alone, revenues of $ 56.3 million have been generated. This does not include rentals and video on demand sales. www.the-numbers.com/movie/Miserables-Les#tab=more
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Post by mamaleh on Dec 1, 2013 7:50:18 GMT -5
To those who were curious to see Ramin Karimloo as JVJ on Broadway in the incipient revival, I learned today that he's doing only 7 perfs a week, not the usual 8. Likely day for the alternate is Thursday, according to theater chat sites.
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Post by jo on Dec 2, 2013 21:43:50 GMT -5
Photo clip from the current revival of LES MISERABLES in Toronto, with Karim as Valjean -- It looks like they have adopted the prisoner-look of Valjean in the movie, with hair cropped to his head. It looks like he is singing THE SOLILOQUY in this scene. Another scene -- It does look very "stage-y" -- but that is to be expected because the stage has a more theatrical/overblown feel, while film is the advocate for realism, including the costumes and makeup. To each his own - I enjoy both...but I think I have been ruined by the film adaptation of Les Miserables, meaning I am forever biased - LOL! Jo
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Post by jo on Dec 7, 2013 0:10:01 GMT -5
The list of GRAMMY nominations has been released. The winners will be announced on JANUARY 26! www.grammy.com/files/pages/56thpresslist-final-secured.pdfCrossing my fingers that the LES MISERABLES Deluxe Edition soundtrack is hands-down winner <cheer> Hope this happens and that Hugh is cited as Principal Vocalist ( as the artist with a majority of the tracks on the album) -- if so, he will have completed 3 legs of the EGOT ( Emmy/Grammy/Oscar/Tony) honors <cheer> <cheer> <cheer> Jo
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Post by jo on Dec 7, 2013 0:18:47 GMT -5
Start counting! smiley-cool13
Of course, he is also part of ONE DAY MORE and THE EPILOGUE! Plus he is the only vocalist with four major solos and one major duet! And he does have the most singing parts and dramatic moments in the Epilogue.
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Post by jo on Dec 9, 2013 6:58:55 GMT -5
Not really from the movie or about the movie -- but featuring part of the Les Mis gang, at the concert at Joe's Pub at around Christmas time last year? I have not seen this among the uploaded songs from that concert. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoVHclTIJjQ&feature=youtu.beIs the song FAIRTYTALE OF NEW YORK? I have never heard of it, till now. Hugh is a good backing singer ...Love listening to the group ( Sammy Barks, Rusty Crowe, Kevin Durand, Alan Doyle)...and I believe the piano singer was Rusty's vocal teacher for Les Miserables. Jo
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Post by jo on Dec 9, 2013 17:37:23 GMT -5
Re the DVD/BluRay performance, here are slightly more updated numbers -- www.the-numbers.com/movie/Miserables-Les#tab=summary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Les Miserables Theatrical Performance : Domestic Box Office -- $148,809,770 International Box Office -- $291,949,523 Worldwide Box Office -- $440,759,293 Home Market Performance Domestic DVD Sales -- $30,154,528 Domestic Blu-ray Sales -- $27,231,572 Total Domestic Video Sales -- $57,386,100 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The $ 57 million sales do not include the international sales figure ( it is likely that the DVD/BluRay may have been released locally in some markets, as it was done here in the Philippines). Also, there was mention in the official press release about the forthcoming Broadway revival, that about 2 million copies of the film's musical album has been registered ( but no dollar amount indicated). All in all, the film adaptation has probably rung up way over $ 500 million in revenues! Jo
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Post by jo on Dec 10, 2013 5:13:46 GMT -5
A little piece of magic from Michael Ball - singing SUDDENLY from one of his recent concerts that was filmed for and released on DVD recently ( BOTH SIDES NOW). It is only a truncated version of the song, but the rendition still touches the heart. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xmFoCVcCPE#t=0I wonder if Hugh has ever considered singing this song (that was written by the composers with his film role and his voice in mind) in a public performance? It is poignant...and can be deeply romantic, from another viewpoint! I have no doubts that Hugh can work his own magic with the song, sung to every woman in the room smiley-love067 Jo
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Post by birchie on Dec 10, 2013 15:31:02 GMT -5
A little piece of magic from Michael Ball - singing SUDDENLY from one of his recent concerts that was filmed for and released on DVD recently ( BOTH SIDES NOW). It is only a truncated version of the song, but the rendition still touches the heart. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xmFoCVcCPE#t=0I wonder if Hugh has ever considered singing this song (that was written by the composers with his film role and his voice in mind) in a public performance? It is poignant...and can be deeply romantic, from another viewpoint! I have no doubts that Hugh can work his own magic with the song, sung to every woman in the room smiley-love067 Jo I also hope Hugh incorporates the song into his public performances. It's a beautiful song written for him after all! Here's Michael singing the full song: Sue
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Post by jo on Dec 10, 2013 15:52:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the Nottingham clip, although I have seen it before. I chose the shortened clip because it is a much clearer ( sound-wise) version uploaded from his DVD release. But listening to it again ( Nottingham) really reinforces my belief that the song could work as a romantic love song ( can even be sung at weddings, as I have read in some internet comment).
I will never understand why the title song from SKYFALL could win over SUDDENLY at the Oscars. From the point of view of relevance to the storyline and the characters, SUDDENLY was such a winning bet!
They did it again at the Grammy nominations - a nod for Skyfall, but none for Suddenly smiley-rolleyes010
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Post by jo on Dec 21, 2013 11:12:27 GMT -5
Remember the seemingly pseudo twitter exchange between faux accounts of Samantha Barks and Aaron Tveit? I can't remember where I posted it -- but it seems there is some truth to the discussion that there will be a repeat concert of the one with Russell Crowe, Alan Doyle, and Samantha Barks held at Joe's Pub in NYC...and now to be reprised in Sydney! www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/the-two-hugh-jackmans-20131220-2zoke.htmlHmm...will Hugh join in, too, for this one? And maybe reprise THE CONFRONTATION with Russell? Unless he is already off to South Africa for CHAPPIE then? Jo
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Post by mamaleh on Dec 21, 2013 11:40:29 GMT -5
I have a feeling Hugh will be in South Africa filming during that time frame.
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