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Post by birchie on Jun 12, 2013 9:15:18 GMT -5
I hate to see him, or anyone, going through such insanity. Based on everything I know about Hugh I truly believe that he did his homework and he would not support a purely evil company. He does so much good in the world that I wish someone would write an article that gives the other side of the Walmart is evil picture. I don't think he spends his time reading all the hateful comments but I'm sure his people do and if it gets out of hand I expect something will appear somewhere to calm the situation... I hope so anyway.  Sue |
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Post by luzie on Jun 12, 2013 10:03:18 GMT -5
Thanx Jamie, that explains the shit storm days after (!) the event. Oh yes, what an unforgivable sin especially for the MiniVan Majority, that he missed his daughter's play because of job commitments. Are they serious??? Most comments are plain dumb and insane and show once again that people just repeat without using their brains to inform themselves more – and that they can't even read! Some still complain that the stars got paid, even if the text says that they didn't get money.
It makes me angry that somebody publishes this piece of crap, but nobody writes about all his charity and all his good work! I really feel sorry for him that he has to deal with this bullshit and insanity now! Nobody deserves it, but someone like Hugh certainly not!
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Post by Jamie on Jun 12, 2013 11:54:11 GMT -5
Gah -- I cannot believe some of the crap that many people are led to believe. One site has written that MSNBC has shown a "heartbreaking" video of Hugh Jackman missing his daughter's play, for the sake of big bad wolf Walmart! And everyone retweets the stupid twitter link  Down with social media!! It will be beginning of the end of human civilization. LOL - I got that one out!!  Jo To add your two cents worth or comment on my rather pissed off statement, go to the Facebook link: www.facebook.com/allinwithchris?fref=ts |
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Post by birchie on Jun 12, 2013 13:29:37 GMT -5
Gah -- I cannot believe some of the crap that many people are led to believe. One site has written that MSNBC has shown a "heartbreaking" video of Hugh Jackman missing his daughter's play, for the sake of big bad wolf Walmart! And everyone retweets the stupid twitter link Down with social media!! It will be beginning of the end of human civilization. LOL - I got that one out!! Jo To add your two cents worth or comment on my rather pissed off statement, go to the Facebook link: www.facebook.com/allinwithchris?fref=tsIt's really heartbreaking that nasty people on the internet go out of their way to hurt others who probably do much more good in the world than the hateful posters do in real life. I hate to see someone like Hugh having to go through this. I pray that it doesn't affect the successful opening of his movie knowing that he put so much into it, as he always does. Sue |
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Post by jo on Jun 12, 2013 18:49:19 GMT -5
The same social media ( Twitter) is now burying those unthinking Walmart tweets with a deluge of retweets for the new international trailer of THE WOLVERINE! The date of the trailer release is probably coincidental and only part of the marketing surge for the movie ( TV ad shown during the NBA finals, the likely Walmart tie-in, and now the new trailer for the overseas market picked up by US media, too).
Have you seen it? I have posted the clip on the thread on The Wolverine. I have also looked up feedback sections on fanboy sites - and I have not seen one mention of a boycott because the fanboys suffer for the third world.
I do belong to the so-called third world - I cannot believe that some people only have a do-gooder type of mentality without really looking more closely into what happens in a developing economy and the role of multinationals. There are many greater "sins" committed against us but I would rank dumping "unwanted" medicines a much worse evil than doing business with local manufacturers whose factories can be much better places to work in. Yet, are there any tweets against the main European and American drug companies for the practice??
Each country must find the most effective ways to raise its economic levels and provide better lives for its people. In doing so, it must try to achieve it with ways that achieve both economic and social well-being, because the road to success is not always going to be easy. Let me give an example. We have always been a trade-deficient and balance-of-payments deficient nation. By coincidence, one of the solutions unwittingly found by those who could not find good local employment is do work as an overseas worker. But at what social costs? Families driven apart and children growing up without one or even two of their parents...The more recent economic driver is business process outsourcing, of which we seemed to have already overtaken India in some respects. We are an English-speaking country and our young population have other technical skills useful for this kind of economic generator. But what is the social cost -- young people working in shifts but 24/7! Safety, depression, lack of social opportunities - but the employers have tried to find ways to make it easier for them. Question: Has anyone tweeted how outsourcing by multinational hotel chains of their reservation system has encouraged the growth of local business in the third world but at high social costs?
In both cases, laws have been promulgated to improve the lives of those involved. It will not always be easy -- in our case, there is a raging debate on the issue of reproductive health ( we are predominantly Catholic- over 80% of the population) - what to do when the population surge is faster than the ability of the economy to rise? A lot of problems! But we must be responsible for ourselves. I don't think a few do-gooders idea of "helping" out is the way to do it. Start trusting our products, offer us incentives (such as better tarriff rates or removal of certain protectionist policies), treat us as equals and not look down upon us as "poor" people who must be led by the hand. Btw, the new book (Inferno) by Dan Brown called Manila as the "gates of hell", even if it is only fictional and he has never set foot here.
Our side of the world, however, seems to be doing alright in the current worldwide economic crisis picture. But maybe it is a sign of the times, too, that the countries here in this side of Asia are now "disagreeing" on territorial limits ( such as on the issue of who owns what part of the seas - for its marine or oil riches) to be able to feed their economic engines better. These are more fundamental issues - no comment on social media on problems like these?
Sorry, not meant to rant...but I just wanted to put in a third world perspective.
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Post by birchie on Jun 12, 2013 19:41:03 GMT -5
Jo, It's very good to hear the view from the other side, so to speak. Too bad all the haters don't look into the whole story. It's such a complex issue for both the 'third world' countries and for the businesses that are trying to utilize their available resources, both virtual and human. Thank you for giving another perspective. It's obvious, reading some of the comments that have been hurled at Walmart and the participating celebs this week, that most of those people just take bits and pieces that they see on the internet and run with it without doing research on the whole issue. There are problems and abuses. I'm sure some will be resolved and some won't. It won't be solved by these idiot haters that post all over social media. I have to laugh at the comments I've read all week about how all the associates work for slave wages...here in the US! Anyone who has ever done retail knows that almost all retail companies pay minimum wage to beginning, non-management employees. Do they like it? Did I ever like it when it was a second or third job that I had to do to make ends meet raising 2 boys on my own? Of course not, but it's the way things are. I just wish more intelligent minds would prevail and start writing about the reality of all this. That won't happen though because it's the sensational stuff that gets read. It's that stuff that gets passed on and on and on all over the internet and it's that stuff that people are so quick to believe, whether it's true or not. I hope it all blows over soon and the posters move on to the next sensational, unpleasant stories that they can all go crazy over. Thanks for sharing.  Sue |
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Post by Jamie on Jun 12, 2013 20:00:16 GMT -5
The same social media ( Twitter) is now burying those unthinking Walmart tweets with a deluge of retweets for the new international trailer of THE WOLVERINE! The date of the trailer release is probably coincidental and only part of the marketing surge for the movie ( TV ad shown during the NBA finals, the likely Walmart tie-in, and now the new trailer for the overseas market picked up by US media, too). Have you seen it? I have posted the clip on the thread on The Wolverine. I have also looked up feedback sections on fanboy sites - and I have not seen one mention of a boycott because the fanboys suffer for the third world. I do belong to the so-called third world - I cannot believe that some people only have a do-gooder type of mentality without really looking more closely into what happens in a developing economy and the role of multinationals. There are many greater "sins" committed against us but I would rank dumping "unwanted" medicines a much worse evil than doing business with local manufacturers whose factories can be much better places to work in. Yet, are there any tweets against the main European and American drug companies for the practice?? ... Our side of the world, however, seems to be doing alright in the current worldwide economic crisis picture. But maybe it is a sign of the times, too, that the countries here in this side of Asia are now "disagreeing" on territorial limits ( such as on the issue of who owns what part of the seas - for its marine or oil riches) to be able to feed their economic engines better. These are more fundamental issues - no comment on social media on problems like these? Sorry, not meant to rant...but I just wanted to put in a third world perspective. Jo Jo I realize that global employment is a good thing. Here in the US the problem with Walmart is not just the wages but that they take so many tax breaks and their employees are so dependent on social services paid for by other tax payers that they are not only a burden on social welfare but that they destroy other businesses and lives in the process. When you add in those deaths in Bangladesh and their unwillingness to sign a safety agreement, people really get pissed off. It is a shame Hugh is getting tarnished with that brush. |
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Post by jo on Jun 12, 2013 20:15:31 GMT -5
I do not know enough about Walmart and its entire operations, but I agree that its business policies may be mainly self-serving - which major commercial enterprises do not operate in the same way? If there any loopholes in implementing regulations of government policies ( such as tax breaks, sharing of funding of social services etc) - who should be responsible for closing them? One's government! I doubt there would be a handful of large corporations who do not take advantage of business regulations that favor them. What can one do, if one feels bad about the situation --
*Do not patronize the company - there is such a thing as civil society boycott ( we did that during the time of the overthrow of the Marcoses here - most refused to patronize companies linked to them, including the largest one in the country)
*Write to your government and express your disagreement with policies that are highly favorable to some but hurt others. Recommend courses of action, if you can.
*Do not single out only one company -- include all other companies known to operate with the same self-serving policies.
*Lastly, do not fault someone who was asked to help mediate in the situation - if the choice of Hugh Jackman was an effort to build a congenial atmosphere to discuss the problems affecting the company. Actually, if the employees were not technically shareholders, there was no need to have them there. Their presence was likely an attempt to build some bridges between labor and management. Usually, a more appropriate setting is a management-employees panel discussion, out of the prying eyes of the public. I find it a little odd that the employee force seemed to have agreed with Hugh about giving Ava a pat in the head ) I heard the thunderous " Great work, Ava!"...and then come all these tweets dissing him for doing that!
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Post by mamaleh on Jun 12, 2013 22:00:35 GMT -5
Jamie, thanks for the link to the Facebook page. Although I rarely go there, I did this time to put in my two cents about Hayes's unfounded, ridiculous criticism of Hugh.
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Post by alma on Jun 12, 2013 23:03:36 GMT -5
Probably like most of you, when I saw that Hugh was involved with the Walmart shareholders meeting, I was surprised for a couple of seconds and then figured it's a studio thing; Fox and other studios make deals with Walmart (and no doubt other big sellers of BluRays, DVDs, etc.) for full-scale promotion of films in exchange for "Stars" presence at this or that event. Can the "Stars" set the date or decide on the event according to their own family schedules? Of course not; even work commitments (like filming another movie) have to be shifted to accommodate this OTHER work commitment--it's all part of the job. I often wonder at the depth of feeling of some anti-Hugh people. Is it because he's a nice guy, and not involved in constant scandals? The so-called 'outrage' of these posters made me think of what I watched in Bill Moyers on PBS last Sunday. Why don't these hate-posters boycott the restaurants all over America that have kept workers' wages frozen at $2.13 an hour (yes, per hour) for the last 22 years (yes, 22 YEARS)? That's lower than the minimum wage down here. Boycotting restaurants till they raise wages would mean helping the people living next door or down the street... billmoyers.com/segment/saru-jayaraman-on-justice-for-restaurant-workers/But wait--figuring out this is a studio thing took more than two seconds of thinking, which is too much to ask from all these hate-posters. The only thing shorter than their attention span is the time they actually spend THINKING before they post on social media. Alma |
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Post by jo on Jun 12, 2013 23:19:28 GMT -5
Can you believe this ... I have just heard a news bulletin saying that the United States Senate has just filed a resolution commenting on China's aggressive posturing on the issue, affecting neighboring countries. Someone has read my comments - LOL! Seriously, we appreciate what the USA is now doing to calm the area from potential military confrontations or even economic sabotage! Jo |
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Post by foxie on Jun 13, 2013 8:31:42 GMT -5
Techno r u still with us?
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Post by birchie on Jun 13, 2013 11:47:15 GMT -5
Probably like most of you, when I saw that Hugh was involved with the Walmart shareholders meeting, I was surprised for a couple of seconds and then figured it's a studio thing; Fox and other studios make deals with Walmart (and no doubt other big sellers of BluRays, DVDs, etc.) for full-scale promotion of films in exchange for "Stars" presence at this or that event. Can the "Stars" set the date or decide on the event according to their own family schedules? Of course not; even work commitments (like filming another movie) have to be shifted to accommodate this OTHER work commitment--it's all part of the job. I often wonder at the depth of feeling of some anti-Hugh people. Is it because he's a nice guy, and not involved in constant scandals? The so-called 'outrage' of these posters made me think of what I watched in Bill Moyers on PBS last Sunday. Why don't these hate-posters boycott the restaurants all over America that have kept workers' wages frozen at $2.13 an hour (yes, per hour) for the last 22 years (yes, 22 YEARS)? That's lower than the minimum wage down here. Boycotting restaurants till they raise wages would mean helping the people living next door or down the street... billmoyers.com/segment/saru-jayaraman-on-justice-for-restaurant-workers/But wait--figuring out this is a studio thing took more than two seconds of thinking, which is too much to ask from all these hate-posters. The only thing shorter than their attention span is the time they actually spend THINKING before they post on social media. Alma Alma, People who post most of the crazy comments we see around the internet are definitely NOT people who spend much time thinking or researching. As for the restaurant worker protest, thanks for the link to the video. I agree that restaurant workers should get paid sick days and Medical insurance benefits. I've had many waitress jobs over the years. As I've mentioned previously, I was in human services for most of my career which didn't pay well so I had many second or third jobs over that time. The young woman, Saru, lumps dishwashers & prep cooks in but they are not paid the tipped employee minimum but regular minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are the bottom rung of the work force and in a capitalist system that will not change. The minimum wage for tipped workers has always been less than the regular minimum wage but it used to keep pace so I think they should increase it accordingly. A lot of people say they should do away with the tipping system altogether. That would be a disaster and cause the closing of many restaurants. While the video paints a bleak picture, I don't know of any waitresses/waiters who would continue in that field without tips. Most actually make far more than minimum wage. I've known people who declined manager jobs because they made more money waiting tables. I certainly did. It's grueling, exhausting work and you have to deal with some of the nastiest people on the planet (customers)...but waiting tables actually pays well. I know of a young woman who was an undocumented worker in Fla and worked at a Mexican restaurant in Orlando. She was worked like a slave by the owners who exploited her status but she did it to provide a good life for her young child. She made no wage at all aside from her tips but she made an exceptionally good living. In many restaurants waitstaff tip out bus boys & dishwashers as a percentage of their tips, so that helps them too. Also, come tax time any waitstaff people would tell you, if they were being honest, that they do not claim all the money they earn in tips so that is another benefit. Saru makes it seem like a large percentage of waitresses are on food stamps. I would guess based on my knowledge of restaurant work, that minimum wage bus boys, dishwashers and entry level prep cooks may need food stamps to supplement their families just like many other minimum wage workers in other fields, but that wouldn't be the case for many waitstaff workers. I admire Bill Moyers and that piece shows democracy in progress as he states. But it's also about the flaws in our capitalist society. The alternatives to that are even more grim, so we should be glad that we have the right to offer protests and while changes sometimes come slowly, they are possible. We could live in a country where change isn't possible and protests are met with guns. There are no quick, easy answers to any of these issues. I've stood on many a picket line and marched in many protests over my years. My advice to the vapid posters on the internet is...if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, instead of condemning a few celebs for taking part in a meeting why don't you take your loud voices and work to make a change in whatever issues you think need changing... Sue |
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Post by alma on Jun 13, 2013 16:34:03 GMT -5
[/quote]Alma, People who post most of the crazy comments we see around the internet are definitely NOT people who spend much time thinking or researching. As for the restaurant worker protest, thanks for the link to the video. I agree that restaurant workers should get paid sick days and Medical insurance benefits. I've had many waitress jobs over the years. As I've mentioned previously, I was in human services for most of my career which didn't pay well so I had many second or third jobs over that time. The young woman, Saru, lumps dishwashers & prep cooks in but they are not paid the tipped employee minimum but regular minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs are the bottom rung of the work force and in a capitalist system that will not change. The minimum wage for tipped workers has always been less than the regular minimum wage but it used to keep pace so I think they should increase it accordingly. A lot of people say they should do away with the tipping system altogether. That would be a disaster and cause the closing of many restaurants. While the video paints a bleak picture, I don't know of any waitresses/waiters who would continue in that field without tips. Most actually make far more than minimum wage. I've known people who declined manager jobs because they made more money waiting tables. I certainly did. It's grueling, exhausting work and you have to deal with some of the nastiest people on the planet (customers)...but waiting tables actually pays well. I know of a young woman who was an undocumented worker in Fla and worked at a Mexican restaurant in Orlando. She was worked like a slave by the owners who exploited her status but she did it to provide a good life for her young child. She made no wage at all aside from her tips but she made an exceptionally good living. In many restaurants waitstaff tip out bus boys & dishwashers as a percentage of their tips, so that helps them too. Also, come tax time any waitstaff people would tell you, if they were being honest, that they do not claim all the money they earn in tips so that is another benefit. Saru makes it seem like a large percentage of waitresses are on food stamps. I would guess based on my knowledge of restaurant work, that minimum wage bus boys, dishwashers and entry level prep cooks may need food stamps to supplement their families just like many other minimum wage workers in other fields, but that wouldn't be the case for many waitstaff workers. I admire Bill Moyers and that piece shows democracy in progress as he states. But it's also about the flaws in our capitalist society. The alternatives to that are even more grim, so we should be glad that we have the right to offer protests and while changes sometimes come slowly, they are possible. We could live in a country where change isn't possible and protests are met with guns. There are no quick, easy answers to any of these issues. I've stood on many a picket line and marched in many protests over my years. My advice to the vapid posters on the internet is...if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, instead of condemning a few celebs for taking part in a meeting why don't you take your loud voices and work to make a change in whatever issues you think need changing... Sue [/quote] Sue, thank you! Down here sick days are guaranteed in most jobs, but it's specially important for workers who are handling food, right? I know that some restaurants collect all tips and distribute them among everyone, including dishwashers, which makes perfect sense, because if there's a spotty fork or glass on the table, guess who won't get a good tip? So every restaurant worker along the way has an important job to do all through the process. What I really like about the Bill Moyers program is that it exists! All sorts of points of view are stated, usually eloquently and calmly. When he questions guests and poses the opposite point of view, they calmly respond. We don't have a full program like this. We DO get to hear REAL thinkers participate for a few minutes on public TV and Radio, with profound analysis of situations, but not for an hour-long discussion. I like a platform where problems can be discussed, DIFFERENT solutions offered, for more than five minutes. It's so refreshing. That's what real democracy is all about. You're right: "vapid" posters, as you so adequately term them, aren't really looking for solutions. That would involve deep thinking, instead of shooting from the hip.  Alma |
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Post by jo on Jun 13, 2013 19:15:31 GMT -5
Re one of the negative IMDB threads -- the opening poster of one thread revised his comments and acknowledged that he was wrong in pre-judging Hugh. www.imdb.com/name/nm0413168/board/nest/215741133Hope others can be of the same mind. I did thank him and added a few more comments. Jo |
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Post by jo on Jun 14, 2013 9:52:15 GMT -5
Someone just tweeted this message --
Anybody see the show?
EDIT: Maybe it had something to do with this twitter message ?
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Post by foxie on Jun 14, 2013 11:10:58 GMT -5
I saw the show but didn't see that
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Post by alma on Jun 14, 2013 11:27:31 GMT -5
Re one of the negative IMDB threads -- the opening poster of one thread revised his comments and acknowledged that he was wrong in pre-judging Hugh. www.imdb.com/name/nm0413168/board/nest/215741133Hope others can be of the same mind. I did thank him and added a few more comments. Jo Jo, I usually stay away from those IMDB things, but I checked this one out and was very happy to "recognize" your post. How could I tell it was you? Because it was so well-documented and so carefully worded. Way to go, Jo. smiley-happy036 Alma |
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Post by Jamie on Jun 14, 2013 14:07:23 GMT -5
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Post by mamaleh on Jun 14, 2013 14:19:46 GMT -5
Interesting: it was the opposite this morning; Hugh had 53 percent to CH's 47. Of course, these polls are meaningless. Still, it's always nice to see Hugh in the top spot. I voted again.
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Post by jo on Jun 14, 2013 19:58:50 GMT -5
Thanks for your kind words, Alma.
But it seems one nasty person ( Duane-something) who is trying to be a one-man wrecking crew of HJ's career and popularity objects to my posts. "Do you work for Hugh Jackman?" was all he could comment on what I had written -- nothing to rebut on what I have reported based on public knowledge of Hugh as a professional performer, social advocate, and family man! That is the lame retort of someone who cannot put up counter-arguments! He has also started to post negative comments on the IMDB board for THE WOLVERINE - I wonder what his agenda is? If he works for Walmart and is aggrieved, the way to improve his working condition is not the way he is doing it.
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Post by foxie on Jun 14, 2013 20:29:13 GMT -5
No one is sexier but C has anyoungermcrowd!
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Post by birchie on Jun 15, 2013 9:27:39 GMT -5
Just a quick pit stop. I just caught up on the recent posts as we had a bit of a family tragedy in the last couple of days. I may not post much over the weekend so I just wanted to comment on a couple of things briefly.
Love the men's fitness article & pix. Definitely cheered me up this morning.
Jo, while I don't have the emotional fortitude to deal with that Duane guy right now, I hope someone puts him in his place.
Lenka, I'm one of those who can't see Hugh on stage and would miss him terribly if he took a year or two away from the screen so I understand how you feel.
Ellen, I have mixed feelings about whether Houdini would make a good musical or not. You're right re: new musicals being very difficult & risky to pull off and that there are lots of people waiting eagerly to see Hugh fail. I guess misery loves company. What they don't know is that Hugh wouldn't really join them in misery because he's too positive and philosophical in his approach to life. It would just be a momentary set back for him but I wouldn't wish even that on him. They've made musicals out of some pretty strange ideas that have been successful so anything is possible. This project just seems to be in limbo though so it may never happen or at least, may not happen for Hugh.
That's all for now. Hope everyone has a good weekend.
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