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Post by jo on Nov 1, 2013 22:57:51 GMT -5
THE FOUNTAIN is a very complex movie - including its impact on the audience. There have been so many interpretations and so many reactions ( reverential and divisive, in equal measure ) to the film by Aronofsky. But I find these quite true -- *When you watch the movie, expecting to want to it flash by fast, I find myself never pressing the fast-forward button! It is as if I never wanted to miss a moment from this film. Maybe it is the drama and the emotions that one is sucked into, while watching the story unfold? Maybe it is to be amazed at how versatile Hugh's acting is in this particular movie ( I would rate it equally well as his Jean Valjean portrayal, as they both go through highly varying character arcs)? *Maybe it is also because of the unusual and excellent chemistry between Hugh and Rachel. Did you ever see the Rachel interview of Hugh, while Hugh was at the makeup room, being painted layers of tattoos on his arm? Very good insights on how an actor prepares and uses his craft to mesmerize a film audience! *There are many other creative attractions - the haunting musical score by Mansell and the visual excellence of the movie ( with some very mind-blowing scenes). The movie was, to both Hugh and Darren, such a moving personal experience! I thought of opening this thread - because I came across this analysis of the movie on a YouTube clip, which again tantalizes to reopen my view of the movie! www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkVS5A5gfGsI never thought that one possible explanation was the suggestion that the story was really the story of one person ( with Izzi/other roles and Tommy/other roles combined in only one persona) as he confronts death and he lives out his different feelings and expectations! It harks back to the theme of immortality. The movie is a truly unique film experience! It can also have personal resonance to anyone watching it - maybe that is the secret of its unique appeal?? I saw a discussion of the reactions to the movie - on Movie Awards - and I was so struck by the unanimous favorable response to the film! PS: I never got the director commentary - it seems Warner Bros did not even want to finance it, as part of the DVD/BluRay - so Darren Aronofsky simply uploaded his file so he can share his thoughts on making the film with fans. Sadly, I never could access that download. But I've just found a site which may have a download option of the commentary - I will update if I was able to download it eventually. Jo
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Post by ADMIN on Nov 2, 2013 1:31:17 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Nov 2, 2013 8:18:16 GMT -5
Valerie -- You're an angel smiley-signs101 Again, with the site I mentioned, I painstakingly tried to download but could not open the file. With the link you gave, it went without a hitch! I also read the blog -- more thoughts to add But I'd like to say that there was a tinge of disappointment for me with the commentary - Darren focused on how the filming went and how scenes were acted/came into being. It included scenes I have been curious about and needed confirmation ( such as Darren saying it was the real mosque in Cordoba, Spain which was used for the scenes with Queen Isabel -- I had seen this wonderful religious structure, which has the distinction of having been a Muslim mosque, a Jewish temple, and a Catholic church in many of its evolutions, with its most distinctive architectural wonder)...as well as some comments on what kind of an actor Hugh was as he went about the process of portraying the characters. I thought Darren would deal more with the themes of the movie, resolving many questions on the film fans's minds. Maybe he did not want to define everything for the fan, but rather give us an opportunity "to soak in" the experience instead of the plotlines and themes being explicity explained. Maybe I was expecting more of the Les Miserables type of commentary by Tom Hooper where there are more attempts to relate the movie with the original source material as well as sharing the filmmaking vision and process. Although in a different way, The Fountain commentary enlightens in the same way the movie does -- that the creative vision is all there to appreciate if one can open one's mind. Jo
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Post by jo on Mar 12, 2014 6:44:32 GMT -5
Somewhat related -- Early buzz for NOAH (Darren Aronofsky and Russell Crowe) compares it to the appeal of THE FOUNTAIN. www.slashfilm.com/early-buzz-noah-darren-aronofsky/Remember filmsite blogger/CHUD Admin Devin Faraci ( he wrote that love-letter-of-a-review for THE FOUNTAIN)? Jo
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Post by mamaleh on Mar 12, 2014 7:35:39 GMT -5
Ah, another splash in THE FOUNTAIN--albeit indirectly. May its ripples ever continue.
That makes me a little more curious about NOAH. I'll definitely see it now.
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Post by birchie on Mar 12, 2014 10:41:47 GMT -5
Ah, another splash in THE FOUNTAIN--albeit indirectly. May its ripples ever continue. That makes me a little more curious about NOAH. I'll definitely see it now. Ellen From everything I've seen/read I don't see it as being like The Fountain in any way, aside from it's pretentious ambitions. As I stated in my previous comments on another thread, Noah as superhero isn't my cup of tea. I still have no desire to see it. I think it has more action/adventure elements that will appeal to the prime demographic so I don't think it will lose money. Guess I'll wait to see more reactions from regular ticket buyers. Sue
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Post by jo on Mar 15, 2014 20:42:31 GMT -5
The Fountain continues to have its cult-like following...and this fan of the movie writes a commentary on his cinematic attachment to Darren Aronofsky and a dissertation on the movie itself! www.filmdispenser.com/darren-aronofskys-fountain/I wonder if the film would have been received differently it if had been released today...and with Hugh helping in the promotion ( he was in Australia with the arena tour of TBFO when the movie was released)? But I need no prodding to want to revisit it again...including that fab interview of Hugh by co-star Rachel Jo
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Post by jo on Mar 23, 2014 21:50:29 GMT -5
Back to NOAH --
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Post by jo on Mar 27, 2014 12:55:26 GMT -5
It seems that the release of NOAH is bringing to the forefront Darren Aronofsky's most underrated movie, THE FOUNTAIN. Here, someone summarizes the important points brought out in Darren's self-initiated commentary to the movie ( He was not given the opportunity to put together a director's commentary to accompany the DVD release).
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Post by jo on Mar 31, 2014 18:31:34 GMT -5
Because NOAH has opened at the top of the box office, there are many features analyzing Darren Aronoksky's style of film-making, with someone calling it as an "obsession with obsession" ! The Fountain always comes into the picture in the series of films where Darren have made an imprint. Of course, we all know what kind of obsession had stricken Tomas, Tommy, and Tom in the movie! In one feature, the trailer of The Fountain is uploaded again -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2IpUTZklsEverytime I see those scenes, I feel like getting my BluRay/DVD out again for a viewing one more time! Jo
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Post by jo on Aug 29, 2014 14:40:06 GMT -5
I caught THE FOUNTAIN once again, playing on a local cable channel...and drew me to looking up at the reviews of the film on Rotten Tomatoes. A young film buff and student writes the most heartfelt retrospective on THE FOUNTAIN, seven years after it was released -- moviemezzanine.com/the-darren-aronofsky-retrospective-fountain/The Fountain is usually paired coincidentally with The Prestige when talking about best Jackman performances in the past. I find Hugh's portrayal in this film more layered and more inspired. As the film reviewer notes - his performance comes from the heart! It would be interesting if Hugh himself shares his own retrospective of the themes of this film as well as the personal references he derived while making it! Jo
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Post by jo on Sept 30, 2014 17:05:33 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Oct 2, 2014 9:06:40 GMT -5
www.avclub.com/article/darren-aronofsky-14035One of the most insightful interviews with Darren Aronofsky about THE FOUNTAIN. He even clarifies what actually happened at the Venice and Toronto Film Festivals, where a bad press reported negatively on the film reception. Excerpts -- Unfortunately, when the critics weighed in at the domestic American market - they missed the cues! www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_fountain/Critics rated it at 51% but users (about 260 thousand users) rated it 74 %. If this were a tentpole type, I can believe that the reverse rating would be expected. For something like THE FOUNTAIN, it is amazing that the film audiences ( who rated it) seemed to have seen beyond the myopic viewpoints of the critics ( it is even worse for the Top Critics at Rotten Tomatoes -- they rated the film at 27%). I wonder if these same critics will view the film in the same way if they revisit it on its 10th anniversary Btw, there were 1164 reviews written by users! A running vein is how commendable Hugh's performance was in this movie! Jo
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Post by jo on Jan 27, 2015 17:11:58 GMT -5
PLAYLIST ( IndieWire) has been revisiting the movies of the past decade or so -- Here, the 2006 list revisits the 10 best movies of that year as well as some honorable mentions. blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/the-10-best-films-of-2006-20150127?page=1Excerpts -- I guess the true test is what films have become cult movies. The Fountain is certainly one of those - as it is still discussed on IMDB and have had occasional revisits by some blog sites. A pity that the movie was not given enough time at the box office. Jo
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Post by jo on Feb 3, 2015 4:36:35 GMT -5
Almost nine years after its controversial screening at the Venice Film Festival, THE FOUNTAIN is still in the news -- as an example of the major ouvres of Darren Aronofsky. www.dw.de/noah-director-aronofsky-at-the-helm-of-berlinale-jury/a-18230080What an irony that Warner Bros cuts its presumed losses on THE FOUNTAIN by limiting promotional activities, by opening the movie on a limited basis, and by even refusing to fund a Director's commentary! The Fountain has become a cult hit, one that is often cited as one of Hugh Jackman's best cinematic works! Jo
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Post by mamaleh on Feb 3, 2015 7:43:08 GMT -5
What does he mean, "suppress a gag"? Why would one gag at the sight of Hugh floating through space? Unless he means a "giggle," which I did not hear in the movie theater.
But it is nice to see THE FOUNTAIN getting the recognition, albeit belatedly, that it deserves.
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Post by jo on Feb 3, 2015 11:09:47 GMT -5
Someone's uploaded a Remastered Director's commentary on YouTube -- in case you didn't have a chance to download it mch earlier www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aeCUFvZFYk*Now I can appreciate the nature of the commentary, as I was no longer expecting Darren to explain explicitly the rationale and the meaning of the film and how the three parts of the trifecta plot and their characters relate to each other. Darren precisely wanted the audience to experience the enjoyment of discussing what it is all about -- What exists and what does not, who exists and who does not, what is real and what is a metaphor! One hint : Not too many of the characters are metaphors! He patiently explains major scenes as to their technical and their motivational aspects of shooting those scenes. This insight helps me understand and appreciate the distinct parts of the film, which taken together supports the rationale of the film. I also enjoyed hearing how Hugh acquits himself on major scenes in the movie. More later. *Too bad the commentary cannot be listened to while watching the film ( unless I would know how to splice and synchronize the comments with the particular scenes )-- all Warner Bros's fault for not funding the release of the DVD with Darren's commentary! But having seen the movie so many times (maybe almost 20 times?), I can guess well which scenes he was referring to -- plus the background sounds occasionally help. I will leave the details for another post ( it is past midnight here) But I will leave these words from Darren as to his broad hint on what the film is all about, towards the end as the Xibalba explosion is seen and heard -- "When we're done, we go back to where we've come from -- this is an old idea -- borne out of the big bang. The same material unleashed by the big bang is the same material which forms us and will form humanity and all the world that's yet to come" And btw - this is the first time I understood this : " When Tom's body ascends to Xibalba and is ripped apart by the explosion, the particles from his body rain on the dead tree and the tree comes to life! ". I have always thought that it was the particles from the exploding dying planet which rained on the tree - which, now that I think of it, does not have any meaning, does not make any sense! It is in the context of the body particles from Tommy which resuscitates the tree ( which he lived together with in the spaceship bubble) that I can draw significance from. It is the cycle of life and the relationship of Man and his environment and how they draw from each other! The same allegory happens when the fatally wounded conquistador drank from the tree sap, was healed, eventually and presumably died, and then new plants and flowers sprout from him. The transformation and cycle of life! Jo
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Post by jo on Feb 4, 2015 4:07:31 GMT -5
Here are some of the detailed notes which I did not have the time to narrate in the earlier post -- *How Darren met Hugh and cast him in THE FOUNTAIN. I have always thought that they first met backstage at the Imperial. That was actually the third meeting. The first one, according to Darren, was when he was introduced to Hugh at a bar in lower Manhattan. The second time around, Darren saw this guy who was creating such a sensation in a gym because of the physical feats he was showing - that was Hugh! They talked. Then he said he was also in NYC and had a chance to see three shows. He said the first two shows were "Meh!". The third one was The Boy of Oz and he liked the show so much he was clapping madly at the end. He went to see Hugh backstage and the script of The Fountain was mentioned. Hugh asked for a copy and read it overnight -- the following morning he told Darren that he was interested! *The long gestating project had ended up with a contrained budget. Darren had cast many actors whom he knew from before ( there were two, one was Ellen Burstyn, for whom he wrote a part to be in the movie). One interesting episode that did not work was when he tried to cast a real neurosurgeon who froze when he was confronted by a real-life film camera!... He also used organic means ( petrie dish and building a real tree structure) rather than much CGIs. He said the heavens was actually a simple photograph that has been taken. Another budgetary limitation was the hiring of a real soundstage - instead they found a huge warehouse, on which they built their set, including the Mayan structures ( the familiarity with Mayan and similar cultures was a result of many trips taken in the south Americas. One secret he divulged - because Hugh was busy somewhere else during filming, the finger that was tattooed with the wedding ring and another hand shot did not actually belong to Hugh. He also said that the second hand they used was not fair to Hugh - they were bony and arthritic - LOL! I guess they were trying to meet filming deadlines and Hugh had to attend to something else. *He talked of many visual concepts in framing the scenes -- **The past - symbolized in many scenes by a TRIANGLE ( like the Mayan pyramid) **The present - symbolized in many scenes by a SQUARE ( like the shape of the hospital rooms) **The future - symbolized by a CIRCLE ( like the spaceship bubble) And he talks about the symmetries, I guess, which connects the triptych eras. *The RING also symbolized many events -- **It was the ring that Tomas earned by his efforts for the Queen **The same ring that the present Tommy lost **Which the future Tom re-finds! In this connection, he mentions that the Queen was the same as the tree of life in the bubble. *Darren developed a tremendous respect for Hugh as an actor -- **He calls him not just an exceptional actor but he also praises Hugh's technical knowledge in film-making. He believed this technical knowhow was developed by Hugh while working in big budget action movies! **He was amazed by Hugh's originality and creativity in the way he physically moves... and after Hugh did better work compared to the stunt double, they did away with the stuntsmen for Hugh. Darren confirms that Hugh did the actual fast tree-climbing in one long shot! He also said that Hugh was such a fast runner that the steady cam ( and its operator) could not keep up! He also impressed Darren with the 2-day underwater work he did to illustrate the lotus position in space ( the first father). **He was also very impressed with Hugh's intensity - an intensity that was so tremendous that they did some scenes in one long shot, without any cut, so as not to lose the actor's moment! **He cites a few scenes which he said were pretty impressive -- ***In the scene after the funeral for Izzy where Tommy walks away and bitterly declares that " death is a disease...", Darren says this is a very difficult scene to film because the dialog about death being a disease needed to be credible. He said that initially Hugh was not able to deliver the way Darren was envisioning the impact - so much so that Darren was not keen to keep it on. But Darren said he " finally surrendered his faith to Hugh" and Hugh delivered to Darren's delight, adding how impressed Ellen was by the way Hugh acted that out. He said that "Hugh's anger was so inspired". ***He calls the moments showing Tommy expressing his grief as one of the great moments. He said that he realized how great an actor Hugh was - as he watched him break down, take after take after take - until he became dry, and tears could no longer flow because he was "dehydrated and cramping at the calves" - Hugh was done! (Jo's note -- I wonder if this was the scene which left Hugh so emotionally drained... that he said that when he reached his trailer, he could not do anything but lie on the floor!).Darren said that the sight of men crying like that made many felt uncomfortable, both men and women, because they did not know what to do with such intense grief! *Darren also shared that when he suggested that Hugh go bald for the future, Hugh was somewhat scared because he was conscious about the size of his head, how he used to be called "peahead". Darren reassured him that his head was perfectly proportioned. *One other note about the future -- Tom lived in balance with the tree -- each one drawing from each other, but with Tom slightly pulling away, with the tree eventually on the verge of dying...by which time, Tom was about ready to reach Xibalba! Darren was so elated about those closing scenes as Xibalba explodes and Tom is ripped apart, with his body particles raining down on the dead tree and giving new life to the tree! There were many more which Darren shared ( about Rachel, who was suggested by Hugh for the role, and other actors in the project, as well as details on the research done, the cinematograpy, the production design, the tight filming schedule, and how long the project had taken of his life (it turned out to be a 5-year project!). Sorry, it was going too fast for me to take full notes Jo
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Post by mamaleh on Feb 4, 2015 8:10:02 GMT -5
Fascinating tidbits, Jo. I never realized that was not Hugh's finger. I guess I was fixated on the tattooing and not how bony it was. I also didn't realize that it was Tom's body particles that gave new life to the tree.
Maybe someday a collector's edition Blu-ray (or whatever format is then current) will be issued. The film certainly does seem to be growing in respect.
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Post by jo on Feb 4, 2015 8:40:33 GMT -5
Ellen, Just in case you recheck the scenes of the faux-Hugh hand There were two hand shots. The first substitute hand belonged to someone who already had tattoos on his hand and Darren enticed him to add another interesting one. The second hand shot ( not sure which this one was -- the other hand shot I remembered was when he re-finds the ring as the future Tom or when he touches Izzy's neck towards the end -- but I could be wrong) was with someone whose hand was bony and arthritic. Talking of faux Hugh hands -- did you notice in Les Miserables that Hooper also used someone else's hands ( the convict Valjean when he was warming his hands near the fire during his early attempts to seek shelter) - very old and full of old veins. Those were not Hugh's hands! I think Hooper tried to find hands that looked like they belonged to a convict who did a lot of physical labor and who probably did not have much to eat -- but they contrasted too strongly with the hands of Papa Jean Valjean, as Cossette tried to touch them ( which he withdrew right away to hide the scars on his wrist). Jo
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Post by jo on Mar 12, 2015 21:10:18 GMT -5
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Post by mamaleh on Mar 12, 2015 23:38:20 GMT -5
"Jackman's operatic emoting quickly becomes exhausting"? On that score, I don't think the writer got it right. Maybe he didn't realize that the desperate Tommy is a character of heightened emotions, living and working feverishly on the edge; therefore, Hugh's portrayal of him, often in that key, is logical and fitting.
I'd like to see the Oscars one day create a category, Best Criminally Underrated Movie.
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Post by jo on Apr 10, 2015 19:50:02 GMT -5
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