Post by jo on Mar 25, 2018 5:13:29 GMT -5
Critics and other social media tweeters exchange views on The Greatest Showman, following the UK article of Robbie Collin ( some critic names are recognizable besides Collin - Guy Lodge/Scott Mendelson, etc. )--
Pls click on the tweet itself to see the thread discussions.
Hmm.... they cannot see the value of the film itself ( although didn't Guy Lodge reverse his opinion...and even go to a sing-along?). I think they argue about the thinness of the script -- because they do not generally consider the song lyrics as providing part of what advances the plot and/or help develop characters. Can you imagine if --
*we had to see every detail of how Barnum grew up from his impoverished young age to the young man who courted his wife-to-be and was full of ambitions to be a successful and innovative business man
*we had to see how Charity kept faithful through her youth to Phineas, and deciding eventually to marry him
*we had to see other business failures or other controversial business adventures that PT Barnum went through before he reached the Come Alive perfection
*we had to did deep into the back stories of Lettie Lutz, the Gentleman of Leeds ( the heaviest man on earth), the Tattooed Man, DogBoy, the Albino sisters, the Siamese Twins and other " oddities"
*we had to see the past lives of Philip ( when he grew up a privileged man and his success in producing plays which high society favored); how Anne and her brother grew up as victims of racism and what attracted them to trapeze entertainment.
*we had to see the past life of Jenny Lind, how she overcome her being born out of wedlock, her eventual success because of her beauty and her talent, how she became the toast of European society.
*we had to look deeper into the background of Mr.Bennet, the critic, and how critics then were viewed as society's arbiters of taste.
It can turn out to be a very long movie!
What else do we need to know about the various key characters, other than what the song and lyrics...and spoken dialog in the movie...tell us? Do these critics think that the songs in THE GREATEST SHOWMAN were there simply to heighten a scene, to bring pleasure and elicit other emotions, to break the monotony of spoken dialog ?? This is a true movie musical!
*What drove on Phineas to ambition, drive, and a desire for society's approval, apart from proving his love for Charity
(A Million Dreams was a clear statement of those dreams, fantasies, and ambitions - which will continue to drive Barnum as he became more and more successful)
*Was Barnum always right in his pursuit of his childhood dreams, sense of showmanship, personal ambitions about becoming a toast of society in his chosen career? Were there doubts that he may be choosing the wrong path? Were there regrets? Was there a new path that he chose to redirect his life and career?
(From Now On was such a strong, life goal-affirming realization of what mattered to him most - his epiphany and his resolve to become the person that he really wanted to be)
*why Charity fell in love with her childhood sweetheart, how she fell from favor with her parents, the difficulties she endured in the early years of marriage, the difficulties she was enduring while Phineas became more and more successful
(Tightrope already gave us such a character view)
*why Jenny became the "grasping" toast of society, and turning to a much married man to further toast her success?
(Never Enough tells us not just of a consuming love...but of a person who would want everything and everyone she wanted)
*why Lettie and the oddities threw off their inferiority complex
(This is Me is such a revelatory piece -- they sang of their inferiorities, their feeling that they are different and special, and then realized that there is something to be appreciated for such differences)
*why two men coming from different strata of society with different ambitions can come together to become partners in a venture that they both love
(The Other Side was splendid in portraying two opposing views coming together, after recognizing their differences but also accepting the more important aspects they share and love doing)
*the coming together romantically-speaking ( that harks back to Romeo and Juliet, Tony and Maria) of two people from completely different social backgrounds, why that attraction would seemed to be doomed, the expressions of longings and unspoken love
(Rewrite the Stars became the statement of those romantic yearnings, amidst the danger of such a relationship as symbolized by that unique and dangerous trapeze choreography)
*The success in the area of mass entertainment, what it meant to the RingMaster and his troupe
(The Greatest Show -- which gave us a musical portrait of what the circus is all about and who are these circus entertainers-- and Come Alive were the strongest statements that could ever be made to show the evolution of people who did not believe in the themselves, the power of personal ambitions and strengths in number, and the coming-together of those talents and bonds as entertainers!)
The creative talents that put together the movie were only too self-aware that a solid storyline and a strong portraits of key characters were needed, not just in look or dialog but also in the musical score that should support the storytelling and the character portrayals and development!
They did that -- it is sad that critics are looking for the conventional way of creating a worthwhile film ( a true movie musical) and maybe, just maybe, did not realize how musical theatre works! For THE GREATEST SHOWMAN borrowed liberally from the theatre, the stage, to tell us a story and how its characters were portrayed!
I am very happy with how the movie was presented... I would have been bored if it had become a 3-hour long conventional book and song showcase. There are 9 powerful songs, coupled with strong choreography ( including the trapeze choreo) in most cases -- they already provide the movie with much of the intimate looks into the characters as well as the strong links and statements that advance the story. All these, presented in a little less than 2 hours - that is actually excellent entertainment that will not bore the many demographics that the film hopes to attract!
It is different...and needs some utmost concentration ( because the lyrics would not be repeated in spoken dialog ( can you imagine if Barnum both sang and then spoke all his feelings and resolve in FROM NOW ON??)...but maybe there lies the creativity and innovativeness of this movie musical...and why people keep "obsessing" over it
Some critics have long noses
To each his own, of course
PS: Hey the post-production and the final edits were done with the help of excellent film-maker James Mangold! He certainly knows how to write a script; he also knows how to push the right buttons to elicit the audience's right emotional reactions to a movie; and he dares to be different from just being outright conventional. He must have steered Michael Gracey's cinematic vision-making towards a new but still excellent musical storytelling ... Surprising most of all, James Mangold even got an acknowledgement from the musical team that produced the soundtrack album ( you can read it in the fine print )
Jo
Pls click on the tweet itself to see the thread discussions.
Hmm.... they cannot see the value of the film itself ( although didn't Guy Lodge reverse his opinion...and even go to a sing-along?). I think they argue about the thinness of the script -- because they do not generally consider the song lyrics as providing part of what advances the plot and/or help develop characters. Can you imagine if --
*we had to see every detail of how Barnum grew up from his impoverished young age to the young man who courted his wife-to-be and was full of ambitions to be a successful and innovative business man
*we had to see how Charity kept faithful through her youth to Phineas, and deciding eventually to marry him
*we had to see other business failures or other controversial business adventures that PT Barnum went through before he reached the Come Alive perfection
*we had to did deep into the back stories of Lettie Lutz, the Gentleman of Leeds ( the heaviest man on earth), the Tattooed Man, DogBoy, the Albino sisters, the Siamese Twins and other " oddities"
*we had to see the past lives of Philip ( when he grew up a privileged man and his success in producing plays which high society favored); how Anne and her brother grew up as victims of racism and what attracted them to trapeze entertainment.
*we had to see the past life of Jenny Lind, how she overcome her being born out of wedlock, her eventual success because of her beauty and her talent, how she became the toast of European society.
*we had to look deeper into the background of Mr.Bennet, the critic, and how critics then were viewed as society's arbiters of taste.
It can turn out to be a very long movie!
What else do we need to know about the various key characters, other than what the song and lyrics...and spoken dialog in the movie...tell us? Do these critics think that the songs in THE GREATEST SHOWMAN were there simply to heighten a scene, to bring pleasure and elicit other emotions, to break the monotony of spoken dialog ?? This is a true movie musical!
*What drove on Phineas to ambition, drive, and a desire for society's approval, apart from proving his love for Charity
(A Million Dreams was a clear statement of those dreams, fantasies, and ambitions - which will continue to drive Barnum as he became more and more successful)
*Was Barnum always right in his pursuit of his childhood dreams, sense of showmanship, personal ambitions about becoming a toast of society in his chosen career? Were there doubts that he may be choosing the wrong path? Were there regrets? Was there a new path that he chose to redirect his life and career?
(From Now On was such a strong, life goal-affirming realization of what mattered to him most - his epiphany and his resolve to become the person that he really wanted to be)
*why Charity fell in love with her childhood sweetheart, how she fell from favor with her parents, the difficulties she endured in the early years of marriage, the difficulties she was enduring while Phineas became more and more successful
(Tightrope already gave us such a character view)
*why Jenny became the "grasping" toast of society, and turning to a much married man to further toast her success?
(Never Enough tells us not just of a consuming love...but of a person who would want everything and everyone she wanted)
*why Lettie and the oddities threw off their inferiority complex
(This is Me is such a revelatory piece -- they sang of their inferiorities, their feeling that they are different and special, and then realized that there is something to be appreciated for such differences)
*why two men coming from different strata of society with different ambitions can come together to become partners in a venture that they both love
(The Other Side was splendid in portraying two opposing views coming together, after recognizing their differences but also accepting the more important aspects they share and love doing)
*the coming together romantically-speaking ( that harks back to Romeo and Juliet, Tony and Maria) of two people from completely different social backgrounds, why that attraction would seemed to be doomed, the expressions of longings and unspoken love
(Rewrite the Stars became the statement of those romantic yearnings, amidst the danger of such a relationship as symbolized by that unique and dangerous trapeze choreography)
*The success in the area of mass entertainment, what it meant to the RingMaster and his troupe
(The Greatest Show -- which gave us a musical portrait of what the circus is all about and who are these circus entertainers-- and Come Alive were the strongest statements that could ever be made to show the evolution of people who did not believe in the themselves, the power of personal ambitions and strengths in number, and the coming-together of those talents and bonds as entertainers!)
The creative talents that put together the movie were only too self-aware that a solid storyline and a strong portraits of key characters were needed, not just in look or dialog but also in the musical score that should support the storytelling and the character portrayals and development!
They did that -- it is sad that critics are looking for the conventional way of creating a worthwhile film ( a true movie musical) and maybe, just maybe, did not realize how musical theatre works! For THE GREATEST SHOWMAN borrowed liberally from the theatre, the stage, to tell us a story and how its characters were portrayed!
I am very happy with how the movie was presented... I would have been bored if it had become a 3-hour long conventional book and song showcase. There are 9 powerful songs, coupled with strong choreography ( including the trapeze choreo) in most cases -- they already provide the movie with much of the intimate looks into the characters as well as the strong links and statements that advance the story. All these, presented in a little less than 2 hours - that is actually excellent entertainment that will not bore the many demographics that the film hopes to attract!
It is different...and needs some utmost concentration ( because the lyrics would not be repeated in spoken dialog ( can you imagine if Barnum both sang and then spoke all his feelings and resolve in FROM NOW ON??)...but maybe there lies the creativity and innovativeness of this movie musical...and why people keep "obsessing" over it
Some critics have long noses
To each his own, of course
PS: Hey the post-production and the final edits were done with the help of excellent film-maker James Mangold! He certainly knows how to write a script; he also knows how to push the right buttons to elicit the audience's right emotional reactions to a movie; and he dares to be different from just being outright conventional. He must have steered Michael Gracey's cinematic vision-making towards a new but still excellent musical storytelling ... Surprising most of all, James Mangold even got an acknowledgement from the musical team that produced the soundtrack album ( you can read it in the fine print )
Jo