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Post by jo on Sept 20, 2020 21:07:56 GMT -5
I think the EMMY people just used the level of popularity of universal favorite Hugh Jackman ( they keep showing clips of him to tease the audience) and the budding future of now-considered as future auteur (Finley) and sharp screenwriter Makowsky ( the script made it to the 2016 Black List -- another indication that this was supposed to be a motion picture for theatrical screening, not for TV entertainment)...and also the past EMMY wins of Allison Janney -- just to raise the EMMY profile?
The EMMY honors are always considered a level below OSCAR's superior list and type of winners.
Were they trying to prove something by this undeserved putdown of an artistic work that had the hallmarks of a fine and true motion picture (hence all those screenings at film festivals)??
Tsk, tsk!
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Post by jo on Sept 20, 2020 22:39:00 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Sept 20, 2020 22:54:38 GMT -5
Wow -- there is really such an outpourring for Hugh up to now since the Lead Actor winner was announced! Twitter is full of praise for his portrayal and disappointment for not getting the acting honors.
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Post by jo on Sept 21, 2020 0:16:11 GMT -5
Interesting -- movie press not happy with Hugh's loss. Kateyrich is a Variety editor; Greg Ellwood writes for Playlist.
The buzz was that theater distributors were interested if the release was done in 2020, not 2019.
Maybe Hugh should have rescheduled a few concerts from his tour, so he could push for the movie at TIFF. His presence would have made a big difference!
Or maybe if the producers had not wanted an immediate return of their financial involvement and allowed a late 2019 or even an early 2020 theatrical release, then at least it could have been included in the Oscar qualifying list. That it received so many glowing reviews ( 94 % at Rotten Tomatoes) would have paved the way for strong box office interest ( by that time, Hugh would have had time to do promos for the movie).
HBO found a gem and ran away with it. At first, they made it appear as if it was an original HBO film (as if they actually commissioned the project) until some balked at that.
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Post by jo on Sept 21, 2020 11:12:48 GMT -5
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Post by njr on Sept 21, 2020 11:27:37 GMT -5
Well, I guess I don’t need to watch the Emmys I DVRed.
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Post by hughmanity on Sept 21, 2020 18:00:45 GMT -5
Guess I'm not as gracious as Hugh either. Still feeling the sting a little and agree with this editor whom Jo quoted.I remember consoling myself after TFF thinking he won't be in the Oscar race, but an Emmy win will be a lock....
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Post by hughmanity on Sept 21, 2020 18:24:44 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Sept 22, 2020 12:06:33 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Sept 22, 2020 20:12:53 GMT -5
If at all - let us hope that the EMMYs realize that their categories need to be reviewed to promote fairness!
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Post by jo on Sept 24, 2020 3:01:24 GMT -5
The quandary faced by BAD EDUCATION re being able to qualify for the Oscars has become even more telling because in the EMMY selection for acting honors, the movie's acting honors were rated alongside acting from continuing episodes for a limited series. The issue of how to handle BAD EDUCATION as award-worthy work was raised much earlier when the AMPAS changed its rules for the year of the pandemic and led to some intense discussions among film critics ( in this case, Peter Debruge and Owen Gleiberman, both from Variety) Thus -- variety.com/2020/film/opinion/should-the-oscars-recognize-films-that-are-streaming-only-1234613534/
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Post by jo on Sept 24, 2020 3:25:13 GMT -5
So, the real casualty here is Hugh Jackman! He was judged by a group of voters whose tastes are highly influenced by how the episodes developed the character in a limited series. But can they be blamed for that? It is an EMMY rule that should be reviewed.
The real issue is: not because a movie is seen on TV does not make it a TV movie! So argues Peter Debruge. On the side of the AMPAS, they should have been more broadminded - so long as a movie complies with the artistic parameters for Oscar-qualifying movies, then it should recognize that in this unusual pandemic era what should be given honors is artistic excellence... and not only for movies shown physically or intended to be shown physically for a theatrical distribution.
Sounds more like politics to me ( the case of the theatrical distributors not wanting for movies shown elsewhere getting a foothold)! Instead the AMPAS decided to add ridiculous standards to accommodate inclusivity instead! They should have recognized artistic excellence instead!
Hugh got the raw end of the deal! And those blind EMMY voters went their way to recognize a really showy performance instead of judging how an actor uses all his skills to show human behavior in varying ways!
Blah!
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Post by jo on Oct 9, 2020 2:03:17 GMT -5
AMPAS rules for qualifying for Oscar consideration has been amended again. How will this affect Bad Education?
Amended Rules on April 28, 2020 --
Further Amendment on October 6. 2020 --
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Post by jo on Oct 9, 2020 2:12:32 GMT -5
Let's focus on the eligibility requirements --
April 28, 2020 --
October 5, 2020 --
Is there significance in the difference in phrasing to signify different intentions --
The second issue as to the eligibility of Bad Education is whether HBO has made a decision to let it compete also at the Oscars...and, if so, have they complied with the 60-day requirement of submitting the film to the AMPAS?
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Post by jo on Oct 9, 2020 2:32:30 GMT -5
Assuming HBO wanted to compete for Oscar honors likewise --
What can they do to prove "intended theatrical screening"?
*It premiered at a film festival (TIFF, Sept 2019) before being acquired by HBO. There is no indication that HBO did NOT plan the movie to be also released for a limited time in movie theaters ( like Netflix or Amazon do for films intended to compete at the Oscars). There is room for doubt. After all, HBO allowed the Tribeca FF participation ( which was ahead of the HBO premiere) after they acquired the film distribution rights at Toronto.
*It was also planned to be shown at the Tribeca FF ahead of the HBO screening, but the virus had forced the Tribeca festival to go online.
*Maybe the technical aspects of making the film ( cameras used, etc) can justify that it was intended for theatrical release? That the creatives and cast had been known to have voiced disappointment that a theatrical distributor did not win the film rights was proof as to the filmmaking intention of the movie?
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Post by jo on Oct 27, 2020 18:01:38 GMT -5
His review has been included in the Reviews thread.
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Post by jo on Oct 28, 2020 5:08:33 GMT -5
I wonder if those producers of Bad Education who sold out to HBO have any regrets? They must feel guilty that they are depriving their cast and creatives from any potential recognition at the highest level of honors-giving, the Oscar! And all for $$$$ They could have sweetened the deal by negotiating with HBO for a limited theatrical release before the movie is screened on HBO...but did they forego that to optimize the initial financial return to them
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Post by jo on Dec 9, 2020 5:55:02 GMT -5
Peter Debruge cites this Honorable Mention --
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Post by hughmanity on Dec 10, 2020 20:48:10 GMT -5
BAD EDUCATION comes in at #3 on People Magazine's list. Can't help but wonder if there would be inclusion on more lists had it had been intended for a "theatrical" release. Too much ambiguity when a film is not Oscar eligible...☹ people.com/movies/the-top-10-movies-of-2020/
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Post by hughmanity on Dec 11, 2020 20:09:26 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Dec 12, 2020 0:46:32 GMT -5
Thanks, hughmanity If I may -- This truly deserves an Oscar! What is the AMPAS going to do about it?? And those $$$ producers who sold out to HBO should be ashamed of themselves for robbing Hugh of this chance Jo
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