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Post by jo on Sept 17, 2019 20:18:03 GMT -5
There's some conflict in understanding what the record-breaking deal is. Deadline did NOT say exactly it was for $ 17.5 million. It only said it is in the range of the amount paid for Birth of A Nation ( which was a Sundance festival record amounting to $ 17.5 million)
The HOLLYWOOD REPORTER said it heard that the deal was pegged at $ 20 million. Variety said it is near $ 20 million.
It could very well be in the $ 17.5 to $ 20 million range! After the devastating box office reception of THE FRONT RUNNER, I was apprehensive some buyers might be reluctant to bet on another Jackman indie. This record-breaking deal proves otherwise! Hope this is actually a silver lining -- as the TV exposure will open up the vista further on Hugh Jackman's burgeoning popularity and reputation for performing versatility!
Is this a coincidence - HBO is a Warner media company. WarnerBros is the studio which bought the distribution rights for Reminiscence!
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Post by jo on Sept 18, 2019 4:23:35 GMT -5
Okay -- this is intriguing! It could very well be that WarnerMedia is now very much prepared to launch its own streaming services as media companies begin to show very muscular competition in this area. Disney+, Amazon, Netflix are well on their way... now comes another media giant WarnerMedia! The probable reason why they were paying such a huge amount for an indie, considered a record at Toronto International Film Festival ... could be... that it will be used as the big launch event for the emerging streaming service! Consider the subject -- school scandals is current news, with the publicized prison term for Felicity Hoffman. Consider that corruption scandals are pervasive...and in some cases, they are of ordinary people, people you may know from your own neighborhood. Consider that it is a story where the idealistic young people help ferret out a scandal involving someone highly regarded in the community. May sound all too familiar? May sound all something that could be the subject of gossipy conversations? In coffee klatches? In across-the-fence chats? Consider the creatives - Cory Finley and Mike Makowsky. A young filmmaker who impressed very much with his first movie ( Thorougbbreds)! A screenwriter who was actually part of the scene ( although not an active participant ) when it happened because he was a student in the school then. Consider the talent - Hugh Jackman ( Wolverine/GreatestShowman/Prisoners's Dad/Les Misérables Oscar nominee/Broadway star/Oscars host/advocate for many causes! Allison Janney ( Oscar winner/TV and screen favorite), Ray Romano ( TV legend), young actors who play key roles! Consider the reviews - Many top critics saying this could be Hugh Jackman's best career performance! Many putting the movie itself as very worthwhile entertainment! Hope they make a very big fuss over it Jo
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Post by jo on Sept 18, 2019 4:31:22 GMT -5
LOL - Deadline did not quote an exact figure. The $ 11.2 million amount refers to the total embezzlement of funds committed by Tassone and cohorts!
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Post by njr on Sept 18, 2019 12:35:07 GMT -5
I still subscribe to HBO even though GOT ended. There are still several shows I watch: Ballers, Big Little Lies, Bill Maher, etc. Plus I watch movies from previous years (I rarely go out to the movie theater - the last 2 films I saw at the theater were Yesterday and The Greatest Showman!)
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Post by hughmanity on Sept 18, 2019 18:08:23 GMT -5
Stated with tongue planted firmly in cheek. 😁 I still subscribe too and to be honest, I never even watched GOT! (although hubby did) I still subscribe to HBO even though GOT ended. There are still several shows I watch: Ballers, Big Little Lies, Bill Maher, etc. Plus I watch movies from previous years (I rarely go out to the movie theater - the last 2 films I saw at the theater were Yesterday and The Greatest Showman!)
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Post by jo on Sept 19, 2019 8:07:51 GMT -5
Let's support Ellen's initiative! Join the Twitter brigade
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Post by njr on Sept 19, 2019 13:31:58 GMT -5
Let's support Ellen's initiative! Join the Twitter brigade Tweeted and re-Tweeted! Nancy
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Post by njr on Sept 19, 2019 13:46:11 GMT -5
Stated with tongue planted firmly in cheek. 😁 I still subscribe too and to be honest, I never even watched GOT! (although hubby did) I still subscribe to HBO even though GOT ended. There are still several shows I watch: Ballers, Big Little Lies, Bill Maher, etc. Plus I watch movies from previous years (I rarely go out to the movie theater - the last 2 films I saw at the theater were Yesterday and The Greatest Showman!) You didn’t watch GOT? Sacrilege!! 😂
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Post by hughmanity on Sept 19, 2019 15:11:31 GMT -5
Haha! It must be sacrilege! Especially to an owner of a Jon Snow Funco figure! 😉 Stated with tongue planted firmly in cheek. 😁 I still subscribe too and to be honest, I never even watched GOT! (although hubby did) You didn’t watch GOT? Sacrilege!! 😂
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Post by hughmanity on Sept 19, 2019 15:12:50 GMT -5
I might just have to get a twitter account. Good initiative, Ellen. Let's support Ellen's initiative! Join the Twitter brigade
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Post by jo on Sept 19, 2019 20:24:11 GMT -5
I responded to the article on Den of Geek ( a site which I find astute in the few times I have read their features) -- I posted their article earlier -- which had this headline and further comments, thus :
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Post by jo on Sept 19, 2019 20:31:16 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Sept 19, 2019 21:37:44 GMT -5
It looks like the streaming service of WarnerMedia called HBO Max ( a new service, not the same as current cable subscriptions) is going full blast for its inaugural service, scheduled for SPRING 2020 -- www.rappler.com/entertainment/tv/240392-big-bang-theory-heads-to-hbo-maxAnd BAD EDUCATION will be part of that barrage of shows/films to mark its entry to the very competitive streaming services market! It does not necessarily preclude letting BAD EDUCATION from being shown for the qualifying 7-day screening in LA! The publicity, if the theatrical screening results in the film and its major stars becoming part of the Oscar conversation, may actually enhance the inclusion of the movie in the inauguration of HBO MAX! But if doesn't pan out that way ( Bad Education getting a qualifying theatrical release and WarnerMedia wants full attention to HBO MAX when it inaugurates the streaming services in spring 2020), then we can look at a new phase in the widening popularity base for Hugh Jackman! The movie may reach a larger audience beyond cinema visits, assuming streaming services become the real platform or at least become a very competitive platform for watching movies! Jo
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Post by jo on Sept 19, 2019 21:46:27 GMT -5
Requirement is only for an LA screening. In the past, it included NYC as a qualified setting, but not anymore. Although it does not say it cannot include other places like NYC, but it will not be considered as compliance.
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Post by njr on Sept 20, 2019 12:29:21 GMT -5
So, is this HBO MAX available free for HBO subscribers, or just something else to nickel and dime us? If the latter, I’m pissed! 😡
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Post by carouselkathy on Sept 20, 2019 17:06:27 GMT -5
I'm pissed too! All of these channels used to be part of your cable package. Now you have to have 3 or 4 remote controls just to keep everything straight. I changed cable companies in order to watch the Dodger games ( the previous owner made a stupid deal with Time/Warner Spectrum). I wouldn't be a bit surprised if HBO MAX costs more. The theatrical release is crucial, but the studios care more about money that Oscar recognition.
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Post by jo on Sept 20, 2019 17:42:49 GMT -5
A spokeswoman for HBO has made it official that there will be NO theatrical release for BAD EDUCATION. As streaming services become more and more important as a competitive platform for watching movies, how is success measured for providers of the service? Indiewire tackles the issue on the emerging marketplace for film distribution -- www.indiewire.com/2019/09/hbo-bad-education-tiff-purchase-theatrical-streaming-1202174626/If the goal for HBO MAX is to drive new subscriptions as the metric of success -- *Will Hugh Jackman et al be asked to be part of the pubicity drive to raise the public profile of BAD EDUCATION? His film contract usually includes the obligatory media tour. How will this work out? *Will he be asked to participate in any EMMY Awards campaign, just as potential Oscar candidates go the rounds of awards discussion panels? Also, as the viewing platforms for films expand -- how will organizations devoted to recognizing film quality and preserving the film's legacy, such as the AMERICAN FILM INSTITUTE, expand its definition of film and now include films either originally made by streamers's studios or made elsewhere but made available to the public not through the usual route of theatrical distribution? How does this translate to the strategy for foreign markets? Will comparable streaming services also be formed for this kind of exposure to movies? Will home videos (BluRay/DVD), as post-exhibition products, be still be made available? Jo
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Post by luzie on Sept 21, 2019 5:54:57 GMT -5
That all sucks so bad! We don't even have HBO here in Germany, so unless the movie won't be released on DVD some day later, we aren't able to watch it! It's a shame that one of his best critical acclaimed movies with a supposed career-best performance doesn't get at least a limited theatrical run to be eligible for the awards season - not necessarily (only) for the Oscars but at least for the Golden Globes, SAG Awards, some critics awards etc. Once again it's a bad timing for him and one of his movies! The supposed Emmy campaign is only a sort of consolation, IMO. Plus, a nomination or a win is anything but a safe bet - it might happen that movie and his performance pass unnoticed (once again).
Also, I'm no fan at all of this new trend to stream more and more movies and watch them on any devices - it may be outdated, but I prefer to watch movies, that are made for the big screen, in the cinema! That's why I don't have any streaming services!
As side effect would a new movie with proper promos and a premiere here and there attract at least a bit media attention again for him. Since his tour went more or less unnoticed by the media here in Germany and Front Runner wasn't promoted at all, he is quite out of the public eye and media interest - currently it's like he doesn't exist anymore. With no new movie in sight (who knows what happens with Reminiscence ...) and his (overlong) Broadway commitment next year, it could become even worse. Who knows when (or if) he makes another movie after his long Broadway gig, that hopefully will be wide and globally released and will generate positive buzz again - hopefully it doesn't take forever. I know, theatre is what he loves doing, but the majority of his (global) fans simply don't have the means and chances to come to New York and buy any costly tickets for his show - they have to rely on any movies to see anything new with him.
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Post by jo on Sept 21, 2019 9:14:29 GMT -5
Reminiscence ( may be titled as The Jade Earring) has sent out casting/crew calls now - as the movie is supposed to start filming from the latter part of October to be completed in January 2020. That is a Warner Bros-supported project which ensures a proper distribution route for theatrical distribution. But the changing shifts cannot be ignored. I think the older generation ( like me) is probably a bit more reluctant to change our set forms of entertainment...but the business is really looking at the desired demos ( 18-49 yo) and younger for tentpoles and kid-friendly movies... to enhance their revenue generation ability immensely.... It is the younger generation which welcomes the changes being driven by the seismic changes brought on by technology, either because of the innovation, the convenience, and effective cost! And streaming services are a major part of this change. Look at Disney - they bought Fox assets for something like $ 72 billion just so they can go fully on their forthcoming streaming services ( Disney+), which together with Apple are launching their businesess later this year. It is the media companies who are driving the rest - the studios are losing their grip on the movie business. It is not HBO per se which will stream BAD EDUCATION -- it is a new streaming service called HBO MAX of WarnerMedia which will launch in spring 2020! Re Hugh's career activities -- *His tour has generated $ 59 million for 56 shows accounted for, with another 34 dates to account for ticket sales. His shows are averaging at $1 million per show. This will likely bring the overall receipts to the $ 90+ million territory when his 90-show tour ends. Not bad at all for our Rock Star *Hugh paved the way for the major rebirth of movie musicals with the success of Greatest Showman! Now, a slew of new or remake of movie musicals are being filmed, put on the production line, or being planned. But Hugh is a step ahead - he is going live - he is going back to Broadway with a revival of a well-loved musical ( Did you know The Music Man beat West Side Story for the TONY Best Musical way back then?). So many social media messages of people ( even from overseas and across the USA) having already bought tickets - even if the musical is still a year ahead and a theatre has not even been named! One of the funniest social media posts was one saying that at the same time he got his tickets, he also reserved for lunch at a restaurant for early 2021 ( the restaurant could not believe it ...and could not stop laughing!)...Check out the day after Opening Night - the orchestra and mezzanine sections are practically sold out! Well... Hugh has indeed become like a bellwhether performer --- *He became the first superhero superstar ( a theatre degree with a drama major becoming Wolverine!) *He went to Broadway for a year when his Hollywood career was on the rise (Boy From Oz) *He hosted the Oscars differently ( song and dance and full-on charisma for good measure) *He returned to the movie musical genre in a big way (the sung-thru Les Misérables, landing an Oscar nod) and The Greatest Showman has set all kinds of records worldwide. *He has played many villain roles ( despite his qualification for classic leading man roles). *He has worked with many auteur directors ( despite being more known for superhero roles) - Nolan, Aronofsky, Hooper, Allen, Luhrmann, Villeneuve...and Mangold increasingly) and has produced well-received acting performances in those movies ( Prestige, Les Miserables, Fountain, Prisoners, Logan) *He has interspersed his film career with occasional shows on Broadway ( a book musical, a variety show, 2 dramas) - many Hollywood actors who dabble in Broadway usually chose only either the play or the musicals route. Hugh has shown versatility...and has also hosted 4 TONYs. *He did a biopic of a relatively unknown persona ( Gary Hart) because he believed in the man and his story. *He did a biopic of another persona which is completely different from his other roles. Too bad that it will not get screened the usual way and may be denied the usual awards glory -- but maybe this will turn out to be a tremendous opportunity to widen his burgeoning fanbase as Bad Education will be used to launch a new distribution platform from WarnerMedia, called HBO MAX! Just some random thoughts Jo
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Post by jo on Sept 21, 2019 10:14:36 GMT -5
In all these seismic shifts happening to the film business -- the only permanent and welcome status quo is : the content!The creatives and the performers/actors will be the most sought out talent and business providers! Without them, the cinemas, the stage, regular TV, and the streaming services will have nothing to support their business! This opens immense vistas for talented actors/performers! And when you have someone like Hugh who has worked so well in almost all genres ( hey, maybe Ven Helsing qualifies as a horror movie ). Look at it that way for performer/actor Hugh Jackman! He is so talented and appealing that even a very different platform like the concert stage is so easily conquered! I think, despite his age, he might be in greater demand. Jo
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Post by luzie on Sept 21, 2019 11:23:47 GMT -5
Well, I still belong to the so-called "desired demos" with my 44 years and still dislike this streaming movies trend! I don't care if Bad Education is streamed on HBO, HBO MAX or whatever - it is NOT available here or around the world! And only that matters.
Re his Broadway gig, all those on social media who posted about their tickets are only a minority among ALL his fans in the end! For various reasons many fans couldn't even attend (or afford) one of his concerts on his tour. Fine for you and some others, if you have the means and possibility to come to New York and buy tickets for even more than one show, but that's not the standard or take-for-granted! For most people it's just not possible! Period. I've seen that even some people who live in New York can't afford these ticket prices. For all these less fortunate fans his movies are the only way to enjoy his work.
We have to wait and see what happens with Hugh's career, but at the moment I'm just very frustrated and less optimistic. Having said that, of course I'd loved to be proved wrong at the end.
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Post by njr on Sept 21, 2019 11:59:21 GMT -5
Reminiscence ( may be titled as The Jade Earring) has sent out casting/crew calls now - as the movie is supposed to start filming from the latter part of October to be completed in January 2020. That is a Warner Bros-supported project which ensures a proper distribution route for theatrical distribution. But the changing shifts cannot be ignored. I think the older generation ( like me) is probably a bit more reluctant to change our set forms of entertainment...but the business is really looking at the desired demos ( 18-49 yo) and younger for tentpoles and kid-friendly movies... to enhance their revenue generation ability immensely.... It is the younger generation which welcomes the changes being driven by the seismic changes brought on by technology, either because of the innovation, the convenience, and effective cost! And streaming services are a major part of this change. Look at Disney - they bought Fox assets for something like $ 72 billion just so they can go fully on their forthcoming streaming services ( Disney+), which together with Apple are launching their businesess later this year. It is the media companies who are driving the rest - the studios are losing their grip on the movie business. It is not HBO per se which will stream BAD EDUCATION -- it is a new streaming service called HBO MAX of WarnerMedia which will launch in spring 2020! Re Hugh's career activities -- *His tour has generated $ 59 million for 56 shows accounted for, with another 34 dates to account for ticket sales. His shows are averaging at $1 million per show. This will likely bring the overall receipts to the $ 90+ million territory when his 90-show tour ends. Not bad at all for our Rock Star *Hugh paved the way for the major rebirth of movie musicals with the success of Greatest Showman! Now, a slew of new movie musicals are being filmed, put on the production line, or being planned. But Hugh is a step ahead - he is going live - he is going back to Broadway with a revival of a well-loved musical ( Did you know The Music Man beat West Side Story for the TONY Best Musical way back then?). So many social media messages of people ( even from overseas and across the USA) having already bought tickets - even if the musical is still a year ahead and a theatre has not even been named! One of the funniest social media posts was one saying that at the same time she got her tickets, she also reserved for dinner at a restaurant for early 2021 ( the restaurant could not believe it ...and laughed at her!)...Check out the day after Opening Night - the orchestra and mezzanine sections are practically sold out! Well... Hugh has indeed become like a bellwhether performer --- *He became the first superhero superstar ( a theatre degree with a drama major becoming Wolverine!) *He went to Broadway for a year when his Hollywood career was on the rise (Boy From Oz) *He hosted the Oscars differently ( song and dance and full-on charisma for good measure) *He returned to the movie musical genre in a big way (the sung-thru Les Misérables, landing an Oscar nod) and The Greatest Showman has set all kinds of records worldwide. *He has played many villain roles ( despite his qualification for classic leading man roles). *He has worked with many auteur directors ( despite being more known for superhero roles) - Nolan, Aronofsky, Hooper, Allen, Luhrmann, Villeneuve...and Mangold increasingly) and has produced well-received acting performances in those movies ( Prestige, Les Miserables, Fountain, Prisoners, Logan) *He has interspersed his film career with occasional shows on Broadway ( a book musical, a variety show, 2 dramas) - many Hollywood actors who dabble in Broadway usually chose only either the play or the musicals route. Hugh has shown versatility...and has also hosted 4 TONYs. *He did a biopic of a relatively unknown persona ( Gary Hart) because he believed in the man and his story. *He did a biopic of another persona which is completely different from his other roles. Too bad that it will not get screened the usual way and may be denied the usual awards glory -- but maybe this will turn out to be a tremendous opportunity to widen his burgeoning fanbase as Bad Education will be used to launch a new distribution platform from WarnerMedia, called HBO MAX! Just some random thoughts Jo If those are your “random” thoughts, I’d hate to see your “non-random” ones! 😂 Btw, it’s “bellwether.” 😉
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Post by jo on Sept 21, 2019 17:38:45 GMT -5
I'm resigned to the fact that I will likely see BAD EDUCATION only on BluRay/DVD - just as I did for Eddie The Eagle and The Front Runner. Yes, that is the way with indie or indie-like productions these days. It's likely that I'd get to see Hugh movies only if it has tentpole or tentpole-like appeal ( like the recent MISSING LINK). The Front Runner was a good film but like many indies, it did not get the attention it deserved ( or did not attract the audience that it was addressing) and it was devastating to read that it only attracted $ 2 million at the box office. But it is a risk that Hugh has chosen to take as he moves on with his new career directions. Bad Education was another indie which was lucky to have been better received at a film festival. Maybe the producers/financiers were more gun-shy about taking the regular theatrical distribution route and decided to cash in their investments in a surefire way? We don't know how Hugh is reacting to that - maybe he is also pesonally disappointed...buy maybe he is also looking at it as his dramatic entrance ( look at all the buzz on the HBO purchase) in the world of streaming services!
But if Hugh has decided that his new career path is along a mix of indies and mass appeal movies...and the occasional Broadway forays, that is the decision from him that I will respect if I want to continue to follow his career.
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Post by jo on Sept 22, 2019 17:01:16 GMT -5
The debate on the BAD EDUCATION HBO fate continues! Owen Gleiberman brings in some insights on to the implications -- variety.com/2019/film/columns/bad-education-goes-to-hbo-a-sign-of-the-future-1203344297/#article-commentsOwen makes several excellent points -- *It is the attitude of the major studios towards mid-budget films ( realistic adult drama) which is disappointing. They only prefer tentpoles or tentpole-like movies for multiplex release. It is ironic that a once-producer of quality films, 20th Century Fox, sold its creative assets ( its studios and film library) to DISNEY, so it can help kickstart DISNEY+ ( Disney-Plus, the streaming services to start streaming in November). *The film studios let themselves be outbid by the likes of HBO and/or streamers. *BAD EDUCATION deserves "the enveloping qualities of the big screen". Did Owen think that the movie is meant for release on the cable channel of HBO? Wasn't the official info leaning towards the movie being part of HBO MAX, which is the streaming services arm? It is meant for a 2020 release, when the streaming service will start operations in the spring? Someone in the Feedback section made a comment that the movie, which is essentially a US story, may not work out well in the overseas market and may not have much box office appeal. But Owen made a good point that quality products will also become a staple for streaming services! I had made a point in some other follow-up articles that the one aspect that will benefit in all these shifts are the creatives who deliver the content - and that includes actors/performers like Hugh Jackman! I did wonder how much the abysmal failure of THE FRONT RUNNER at the box office ( a SONY-distributed movie) had an impact on the appeal of BAD EDUCATION? Jo
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Post by hughmanity on Sept 22, 2019 18:06:42 GMT -5
I think it could have been that along with the failures of recent indie purchases from Sundance
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