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Post by Jamie on Oct 22, 2012 19:56:51 GMT -5
Jo,
What I wrote:
Of course it's "Hugh's movie". Jean Val Jean's progress from sinner to saint at the top of his lungs is Les Miserables. Everyone else revolves around him. If Hugh Jackman is great, then the movie is great. We have been waiting for his musical to hit film for almost three decades. There is a global audience waiting to run to the theaters on opening day. While there have been musicals before, something like this has never been seen on the screen. So you have something totally original, a world wide audience waiting and it is all carried on the shoulders and in the vocal chords of one man. Whoever might win is beside the point, but if this movie is the success we all expect to be, Jackman must be nominated for Best Actor.
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Post by jo on Oct 22, 2012 20:07:07 GMT -5
LOL - I didn't know you were Jesse in another posting universe ;D
But very well said -- and I said so on IMDB!
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Post by jo on Oct 22, 2012 20:17:50 GMT -5
Jamie,
OldHarrovian has responded to your post. In case you didn't know --
*He is the one whose parents are both AMPAS and BAFTA members and that is why he knows the industry buzz so much.
*He has actually posted on the Movie Awards section of IMDB ( different board) a while back that he thinks Hugh Jackman should be the no 1 best actor nominee and that Les Mis should be the no.1 BP nominee.
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Post by jo on Oct 22, 2012 20:59:03 GMT -5
Sasha Stone writes her latest predictions and their rationales. It sounds like all the film blogger/forecasters are trying to outdo each other on who guesses best  www.awardsdaily.com/blog/2012/10/22/the-state-of-the-oscar-race-and-of-these-hope/Yet again, Les Miserables is cited for being the unknown factor -- maybe some people are in denial, but a lot of people know the story of Les Miserables backwards and forwards, and assuming the quality of the cast and the creative team, and what the teaser and the extended look feature have shown - one can almost make an educated guess about it -- don't put it in the same boat as the other unseen movies!!. She puts Les Miserables at # 5 -- She forgot Original Song and maybe Adapted Screenplay ( again, they are assuming that the screenplay would be status quo to the stage musical - which could be totally simplistic, even silly) ! Not bothering to reprint her blog here, just citing the link. Jo |
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Post by jo on Oct 22, 2012 21:12:34 GMT -5
In the latest run-through at Goldderby, ARGO has edged out LES MISERABLES from the top spot -- www.goldderby.com/films/news/3510/argo-ben-affleck-les-miserables-oscars-movies-entertainment-news13579086.htmlAgain, the sight-unseen factor is working against Les Miserables ( from the so-called experts' POVs)...But it is interesting to note that the USER votes for Les Miserables far outrank ARGO, maybe because the users do know what Les Miserables is all about and have already put down their expectations from the movie, even if it has not been seen! Just some thoughts -- *If both movies are crowd pleasers, which movie do you think will touch the emotional chord better?? *And which cast delivers the stronger performances? Which one will have more spectacular visuals? More stunning sounds? *Which movie will make you feel uplifted when you leave the cinema? *Which movie will resonate better to current times? Jo |
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Post by nevaeh777 on Oct 23, 2012 0:18:46 GMT -5
Sasha Stone writes her latest predictions and their rationales. It sounds like all the film blogger/forecasters are trying to outdo each other on who guesses best She puts Les Miserables at # 5 -- Jo Ms. Stone is going to have a rude awakening. |
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Post by birchie on Oct 23, 2012 9:06:07 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you follow the discussions on IMDB but here's an interesting thread on " Les Mis is Hugh's movie" -- www.imdb.com/title/tt1707386/board/nest/206009401I have not put in my two cents' worth on why this could be so. I have only posted what I heard from the podcast... I am sitting on my hands, because I am already known there for being an unabashed Hugh fan  <snip> A lot of doubters among the IMDB posters ( except of course for our Birchie/Sue and Narrows) because many of them have probably not seen many Hugh movies or have absolutely NO idea on how he is on a musical theatre stage! I am so tempted to post Ben Brantley's reviews ( TBFO/Carousel/Back on Broadway) or even the unabashed fan letter from Rex Reed But they don't know what is in store for them! With what that lucky person who saw the screening said, I am convinced that Hugh's performance is going to be one for the ages in Oscar history! I hope all the other stars align for the formal recognition to happen! Jo Artful Dodger: "What, fisticuffs?" Ah yes, there I am into the fray once again!  I can't believe some of the lame things that get said or just agreed to by some of the people there. My biggest gripe was the idiot podcaster/blogger/whatever who said Hugh was a favorite because he hosted the Academy Awards. I took exception to that, but what surprised me more was that other posters seemed to agree with it. I kept trying to hint that Bob Hope should have won a few Oscars if that were all it took...I don't think they appreciate my humor. I haven't been there yet this morning. I might not get to it till later in the day cause my DIL & granddaughter are coming over in a couple hours. Maybe I can stay out of trouble if I pop over there for a bit while I'm waiting for them. We'll see... ;D Sue |
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Post by birchie on Oct 23, 2012 9:23:34 GMT -5
Jo, What I wrote: Of course it's "Hugh's movie". Jean Val Jean's progress from sinner to saint at the top of his lungs is Les Miserables. Everyone else revolves around him. If Hugh Jackman is great, then the movie is great. We have been waiting for his musical to hit film for almost three decades. There is a global audience waiting to run to the theaters on opening day. While there have been musicals before, something like this has never been seen on the screen. So you have something totally original, a world wide audience waiting and it is all carried on the shoulders and in the vocal chords of one man. Whoever might win is beside the point, but if this movie is the success we all expect to be, Jackman must be nominated for Best Actor. Yay, jessie!! I did send you some love over there for posting a wonderful, sane, "perfect" comment. :-* I don't understand how other people can't see these simple facts! Must work on my patience and tolerance.  Sue |
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Post by birchie on Oct 23, 2012 9:28:25 GMT -5
In the latest run-through at Goldderby, ARGO has edged out LES MISERABLES from the top spot -- www.goldderby.com/films/news/3510/argo-ben-affleck-les-miserables-oscars-movies-entertainment-news13579086.htmlAgain, the sight-unseen factor is working against Les Miserables ( from the so-called experts' POVs)...But it is interesting to note that the USER votes for Les Miserables far outrank ARGO, maybe because the users do know what Les Miserables is all about and have already put down their expectations from the movie, even if it has not been seen! Just some thoughts -- *If both movies are crowd pleasers, which movie do you think will touch the emotional chord better?? *And which cast delivers the stronger performances? Which one will have more spectacular visuals? More stunning sounds? *Which movie will make you feel uplifted when you leave the cinema? *Which movie will resonate better to current times? Jo Also... *Which movie will the most people want to run out and see again the next day? *Which movie will produce the most trash cans filled with tissues? :'( This is fun, I'm sure when I have time later I'll think of more. Sue |
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Post by Jamie on Oct 23, 2012 10:14:06 GMT -5
Birchie, Thanks for the support & backup. I have so much respect for Hugh's talent and genuinely hope Les Mis is the movie that will show the public that only know him as Wolverine just how great an actor and entertainer he is. When there is some remark that minimizes him due to ignorance, it's fingernails on blackboard time. If someone sees a performance and doesn't like it, that's okay even if I disagree with them. Opinions are opinions. When someone minimizes a performer or work without any knowledge, it pushes all my "that's not fair" buttons.
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Post by jo on Oct 23, 2012 10:59:41 GMT -5
Sue, LOL - I can see where your frustrations come from ;D The reference by some (like OldHarrovian - whose parents are AMPAS and BAFTA voters - " He has serious good will with the Academy from hi hosting gig, it was well received by almost everyone.") to Hugh being popular in Hollywood ( to some extent due to the hosting gig) is not so much as looking down upon Hugh's ability to earn an Oscar due to artistic accomplishment as an actor -- but I think it is more to consider the politics that populates the Oscar choices. I have seen the factor of " popularity in Hollywood" considered seriously by many as one of possible vote changers, if all things are equal. It is also used as an explanation when an expected win does not materialize (e.g., Russell's unfortunate telephone incident, during the year he worked on A Beautiful Mind...and following Master and Commander where many of his co-stars got nominations, but not him!). There have also been talks about why Bill Murray is not popular and that it lessens his chances for a nod...and of course Joaquin Phoenix's possible non-win is already being ascribed by many as due to his quirky personality. Hugh is seriously loved in Hollywood because of his nice-guy reputation with people he has worked with...plus of course delivering a much-applauded ( I mean not just the Standing Ovation) Oscar hosting performance - the YouTube upload has already gotten 4.2 million hits! I would consider his hosting success as having earned him brownie points with the Oscar movers and shakers I know it is very annoying to read when people look down upon his actor's ability -- but many are only familiar with his Wolverine persona. Not too many have really seen him work his magic on stage...nor maybe keen enough to watch him work with Aronofsky or even his work with Nolan...To some extent, there is some incredulity, maybe even a jealousy element there - how dare a superhero try to win an Oscar for drama ( Les Miserables is a dramatic musical! More drama than anything else, the role of Valjean very much so) ?!! I can't wait for the screenings to start,so we can get real buzz from many people! I have decided not to add to what is already perfect words from Jamie because some people are not going to believe until they see his performance. Someone ( Sueb) said that she does not believe Hugh has a chance to be nominated unless it is "a showstopping or jaw-dropping performance" - if she had known how Hugh's recent show was received by critics and audiences alike on Broadway -- she wouldn't even be doubting the man's ability to deliver! I have not heard of any buzz which says the movie is going to be short of magnificent ( all that attention to details, all that focus and commitment, all the filming sacrifices...). The only demos whom I hope can turn around are the serious male film buffs who do not like musicals, but who I hope will consider watching the movie because of its Oscar hype! I am trying to be very patient about responding to some of the inanities on IMDB Jo |
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Post by njr on Oct 23, 2012 15:54:33 GMT -5
Jo, "SueB" is one of us actually (from the old red board) and I bet she saw Hugh on Broadway a few times. Nancy |
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Post by jo on Oct 23, 2012 17:23:02 GMT -5
Nancy,
I have met our SueB from the old board. The SueB on IMDB is a different person, I believe.
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Post by ocjackie on Oct 23, 2012 18:21:42 GMT -5
And if anyone wants my opinion, I will never forget that person that said, "Hugh Jackman is a washed up old actor". First of all, if old is 44, I must be prehistoric. Second, as we all know Hugh can do anything (of course we're prejudiced), and when the film hits, "he who laughs last, laughs best". And I truly believe, we WILL have the last laugh (and tears) >  Jackie |
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Post by jo on Oct 24, 2012 6:50:17 GMT -5
Some interesting AMPAS stats -- www.awardsdaily.com/blog/2012/10/....-of-these-hope/The Oscars – Academy Award members by the numbers
Actors Branch: 1,170
Art Directors Branch: 359
Cinematographers Branch: 201
Directors Branch: 366
Documentary Branch: 157
Executives Branch: 441
Film Editors Branch: 220
Makeup Artists & Hairstylists Branch: 117
Music Branch: 233
Producers Branch: 444
Public Relations Branch: 363
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch: 343
Sound Branch: 402
Visual Effects Branch: 286
Writers Branch: 375I understand that Voting by professional category happens at the Nominations level (E.g., Only actors can vote for acting honors nominations). Then every AMPAS member gets to vote on all categories for the winners, based on the nominees! Jo |
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Post by birchie on Oct 24, 2012 9:11:34 GMT -5
And if anyone wants my opinion, I will never forget that person that said, "Hugh Jackman is a washed up old actor". First of all, if old is 44, I must be prehistoric. Second, as we all know Hugh can do anything (of course we're prejudiced), and when the film hits, "he who laughs last, laughs best". And I truly believe, we WILL have the last laugh (and tears) > Jackie Wow, how did I miss that person?? I hope he/she got put in their place in a big way!  You are so right, we will have the last laugh and tears...and cheers!   |
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Post by birchie on Oct 24, 2012 9:41:06 GMT -5
<snip> I have not heard of any buzz which says the movie is going to be short of magnificent ( all that attention to details, all that focus and commitment, all the filming sacrifices...). The only demos whom I hope can turn around are the serious male film buffs who do not like musicals, but who I hope will consider watching the movie because of its Oscar hype! I am trying to be very patient about responding to some of the inanities on IMDB Jo Absolutely, the buzz has been extremely positive. I haven't read anything from those in the biz, so to speak, that makes me worry about the success of this movie, quite the opposite. I just wish they would start mentioning Hugh as the contender we all know he will be. They didn't seem to have any trouble talking about other contenders before they saw their movies so  As for the anti-musical guys, I love it when one shows up over there at IMDB and says how much they've hated musicals but they can't wait to see this one after seeing the teaser or the extended first look etc...The more ignorant 'I hate musicals' crowd are just immature. Kind of like "I hate broccoli!" "Have you ever tasted it?" "No, I just know I'll hate it because of how it looks." So because they see the word 'musical' they will say they hate it even if they haven't seen it. Still working on patience though... |
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Post by birchie on Oct 24, 2012 9:48:09 GMT -5
Birchie, Thanks for the support & backup. I have so much respect for Hugh's talent and genuinely hope Les Mis is the movie that will show the public that only know him as Wolverine just how great an actor and entertainer he is. When there is some remark that minimizes him due to ignorance, it's fingernails on blackboard time. If someone sees a performance and doesn't like it, that's okay even if I disagree with them. Opinions are opinions. When someone minimizes a performer or work without any knowledge, it pushes all my "that's not fair" buttons. That's my big button pusher too. |
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Post by jo on Oct 26, 2012 20:48:48 GMT -5
The Oscar campaign is heating up!! Is it just a coincidence that TIME has featured a cover story on Daniel Day Lewis as The World's Greatest Actor now  Hmmm....had that feature happened if and when he wins Best Actor, I would have not related it to the feverish Oscar campaign. Jo |
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Post by jo on Oct 26, 2012 21:04:32 GMT -5
There's a very popular section on IMDB called MOVIE AWARDS where a lot of movie buffs and fanboys and general moviegoing audiences post sundry topics re noteworthy performances ( movies or actors). It is quite popular as the first page resolves within an hour usually. www.imdb.com/board/bd0000005/threads/Right now, Les Miserables has three threads going for it. Although two are really trolling threads ;D...Who cares, so long as it is being talked about now Jo |
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Post by Jamie on Oct 27, 2012 9:38:02 GMT -5
The DDL cover is for the international cover. The American cover is President Lincoln. It's the same article inside, but the thought was probably that the actor might attract more interest that the one featuring even a well known American president.
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Post by birchie on Oct 27, 2012 10:55:13 GMT -5
There's a very popular section on IMDB called MOVIE AWARDS where a lot of movie buffs and fanboys and general moviegoing audiences post sundry topics re noteworthy performances ( movies or actors). It is quite popular as the first page resolves within an hour usually. www.imdb.com/board/bd0000005/threads/Right now, Les Miserables has three threads going for it. Although two are really trolling threads ;D...Who cares, so long as it is being talked about now Jo I occasionally peak at other IMDB boards but I only post on the Les Miserables board...it's the only one I 'hang out' on. I did a post on that awards board once, a while back when you requested that some of us post our positive thoughts. Glad to hear they're saying nice things about Les Miserables. Most of IMDB makes me nuts. People are so nasty, rude, crazy, ignorant...well generally 'unpleasant' covers it I guess. The Les Miserables board is nicer as a rule than the others I've seen but there are plenty of "unpleasant" moments there too. I'll follow your info on the awards board to keep up with that and if you ever need another positive post I'll be glad to join the cheer leading squad! Sue |
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Post by jo on Oct 27, 2012 19:17:14 GMT -5
Sue,
Some of the posts on IMDb could be inane, insane - LOL!
But since I think these message boards are populated by mostly fanboys/young men ( and a few fangirls) with their brand of humor - I can understand and even sometimes read through the trolling posts ( if done with good humor). I am used to this because I do post ( more "lurk" than post) on a sports message board for Formula One - and they sometimes make me laugh/giggle as only sophomoric humor can. They even disagree in style!
For a long time, nobody wanted to talk about Les Mis - except for that longish thread ( 5 pages) on Hugh's chances for an Oscar ( Thanks for adding your comments to that one). I think that may change once the screenings start...although I do not expect them all to be impressed - as many are avowed musicals haters. LOL! Young men usually say that...and even more mature, older men!
Not long now -- maybe after a month, we may start to hear real buzz??
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Post by jo on Oct 27, 2012 19:27:04 GMT -5
Jamie,
That is interesting that they would change the Lincoln cover for the overseas market. I think DDL is not really that well-known overseas as his movies are not usually big blockbusters.
But many would know Lincoln from history. We were asked to memorize " Four score and seven years ago..." as part of an American history course we had in high school( although that is no longer the case now - no more American history as a separate course). Plus anyone who goes to visit Washington DC can not forget seeing that huge monument/statue of Lincoln. During Obama's inaugural party four years ago, his statue hovered over that concert in that popular area in DC.
Maybe if they hadn't added the phrase "The World's Greatest Actor" ( which is arguable) -- it wouldn't have smacked of campaigning for an Oscar. If this issue came after the Oscars, it would have sounded more like a validation, if he had won it...
But then there is Hugh Jackman in the way...I hope, in a big way!!
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Post by ocjackie on Oct 27, 2012 19:54:46 GMT -5
Just came back from seeing" Argo". While the movie was done well, I don't feel that Ben Affleck deserves an Oscar for it. I guess I'm just prejudiced. It was funny how the movie showed the coming attractions, first Les Mis (the old trailer, but the first time I saw it on the big screen :o), Lincoln, and then Argo the main feature. I just hope that's the way the academy see's it!!!
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