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Post by jo on Jan 6, 2017 20:08:15 GMT -5
The first projections for DOMESTIC ( North America) are out, from BoxOffice.com which is usually quite reliable in their commercial outlook for incoming movies ( sometimes, to my dismay ) -- pro.boxoffice.com/long-range-forecast-logan-shack-leap-fall/A little over $ 200 million is not bad for Cumulative DOMESTIC box office results. Hopefully, the second trailer and the real onrush of promotions and publicity will push those figures much, much more!
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Post by jo on Jan 10, 2017 19:25:46 GMT -5
Predictions for LOGAN -- *Analysis of Positive/Negative Factors that may affect Box Office Performance *Predictions (Pessimistic/Realistic/Optimistic Projections) If I may summarize -- Positive Factors : *R-rating *No high budget *Soft competition *Franchise is in a good position *Very good reactions to first trailer *Hype over HJ's last Wolverine movie Negative Factors : *James Mangold as the director Jo's comments -- *Deadpool's R-rating proved that a well-made R-rated movie can be a great box office success -- so it can be a positive factor for LOGAN; *Re Soft competition -- word on KONG has not been overly positive/Beauty and the Beast is a totally different market; *Could the relative failure against expectations for APOCALYPSE affect LOGAN? For one, the Wolverine cameo was well-received ( and possibly augured what an R-rating for a Wolverine movie could look like); *Trailer -- could the second trailer at least come close to the ovation for the first one? *Strongly disagree on his Negative factor assessment -- the direction of James Mangold ( who also co-wrote the screenplay) will arguably be the best factor going for this movie ( plus of course Hugh Jackman's portrayal... and the quality of the script). If the blogger's objections is the third act of THE WOLVERINE, that is generally attributed to the studio's interference *One factor not discussed which could weigh heavily on the Overseas projections -- will it be released in China where an R-rating is not always well-received by the approving authorities? On the other hand, Deadpool was not allowed to be released in China because of its R-rating but it still did well overseas. There is some hopeful expectations ( voiced by someone who covers the China film market) that China will allow its release because HJ's link with the Chinese audiences is very good and because its R-rating will be mostly on the violence depicted ( which could be toned down if released there). We'll see. *Another factor that has not been discussed -- the publicity and promotion campaign has been very positive so far, the latest being the entry at the prestigious Berlinale, probably as a showcase for the film for the European market. *How much time will HJ spend on promoting the film? Expectedly, he will be free of filming duties ( Greatest Showman) for the time needed to do a well-covered media tour and to attend world-wide premieres! Predictions :PessimisticOpening Weekend (USA) : $ 60 M Domestic Cumulative : $ 168 M Overseas : $320 M Total : $ 488 M RealisticOpening Wkd ( USA) : $ 70 M Domestic Cumulative : $ 203 M Overseas : $ 430 M Total : $ 633 M OptimisticOpening Wkd ( USA) : $ 90 M Domestic Cumulative : $ 252 M Overseas : $ 498 M Total : $ 750 M Let's make the Optimistic Projections happen
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Post by jo on Feb 16, 2017 23:23:26 GMT -5
Yeyyyyyyyy!!!! It is not going to swell the box office that much -- but --
I got my tickets for an IMAX showing! There's a story to this -- initial inquiry with the cinema with IMAX facilities showed that the screenings will be on IMAX-3D! Disappointed! I don't wait to get a headache!... I sent them an email inquiring about a possible screening on IMAX-2D. No reply yet... But this morning, when I checked the online site -- they are now showing IMAX-2D ticket offerings! A pair of tickets were readily purchased!
I was as excited as I used to be when buying tickets for a Hugh Broadway show!
I have a feeling that this movie will mean to him as much as The Boy from Oz and Les Miserables did! All hallmarks of a very versatile career!
Jo
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Post by hughmanity on Feb 16, 2017 23:28:58 GMT -5
It is too bad that Kong Skull Island and the juggernaut that is Beauty and the Beast follow so closely afterwards.
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Post by jo on Feb 17, 2017 0:28:57 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter -- fans are happy that they are getting " a love-letter-of-a-movie" from Hugh! There are too many social media reactions now which I cannot all post -- and they are all very happy! Even quite a number of ecstatic GIFs! Someone said that a filmblogger ( from CHUD) who saw it said that the critics with him all went wild! This is a mature movie and if the cinematic vision fulfills Jackman's and Mangold's ambitions about the movie -- and fans like it tremendously -- I am glad that they went for it! Comparison not valid with PG movies Jo
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Post by mamaleh on Feb 17, 2017 0:41:49 GMT -5
Glad you got your IMAX tickets, Jo.
I'm cautiously optimistic about the film's potential success, both critically and at the box office. If I recall correctly, the only Oscar nomination/win for a character from a superhero movie went to Heath Ledger for THE DARK KNIGHT. There was much speculation about Ryan Reynolds' possibly securing a nomination this year, but that didn't materialize. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Hugh were to be the first actor portraying a superhero to be nominated for Best Actor (Ledger won for Supporting Actor)?
Let's think positive.
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Post by jo on Feb 17, 2017 0:49:16 GMT -5
Even if LOGAN is released even before this year's Oscar winners ( for 2016 movies) have not yet been announced Timing is not in the movie's favor -- only factor that may work in terms of attention from AMPAS is that this is Hugh Jackman's valedictory Wolverine portrayal -- that may count because that represents 17 commitment years to a well-loved franchise! Of course, The Greatest Showman is also lurking by the time the next awards season comes along -- hey, did they ever nominate one actor for two roles, but only one nod so as not to cancel each other out? Okay -- off to the Official Reviews thread as I would like to post what I have just read of SuperheroHype's summary of early tweets from filmsite bloggers! They make my heart swell for Hugh Jo
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Post by mamaleh on Feb 26, 2017 1:09:02 GMT -5
The extreme violence may turn off some segments of the moviegoing public, but I think the strong word of mouth should propel the numbers to where they should be.
On the other extreme (family appeal): the live-action version of Disney's BEAUTY AND THE BEAST is predicted to haul in $130 in its opening weekend!
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Post by jo on Feb 26, 2017 2:36:10 GMT -5
I have been thinking about the issue of extreme violence for LOGAN -- *None of the critics ( top critics or regular critics) so far published have ever said that the extreme violence is gratuitous, unless I misremembered. In fact, they cite that the violence heightens the dramatic impact of the poignant moments of the movie. Comparative Critics Consensus at Rotten Tomatoes for 4 sample R-rated movies -- *Interesting exchange on Twitter -- I think probably from a general male perspective the issue of extreme violence does not detract too much from the appeal of the movie. *I have just analyzed the demos of IMDB readers for DEADPOOL and LOGAN ( much smaller sample - because it has only been seen by those who had the privilege of early screenings), both R-rated superhero movies ( Deadpool has an RT rating of 84%), and I was surprised at the similarity in the demographic behavior. The voting population accounted for DEADPOOL was 600,000 while LOGAN only had 4000 votes counted in. But it is interesting how statistical distribution tend to hew close to early trends later on. Just like electoral polls! The voters are of course largely a male voting population. The strongest favorable votes come of course from the younger crowd. The less favorable votes are from females and from the older crowds. Please view the statistical analysis for these movies. Not sure of course that we can now draw definitive conclusions for LOGAN, but there is surprising ( although not really, given the kind of movies they are) similarities in the statistical distribution. For LOGAN, with average votes of 9.5/10 coming from almost 4000 voters -- www.imdb.com/title/tt3315342/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rtFor DEADPOOL with average votes of 8.1/10 from almost 600,000 voters -- www.imdb.com/title/tt1431045/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt*Let's take a look at war movies, especially of the more recent kind. SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, also rated R (presumably because of the violent scenes of war), and earning a rating of 92% at Rotten Tomatoes, showed the following IMDB voters statistical distribution for its 930,000 voters with an average rating of 8.6/10 www.imdb.com/title/tt0120815/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt*Let's look at the R-rated PRISONERS ( Certified Fresh at 81% at RT) and its IMDB voting profile ( 8.1/10 from over 400,000 voters) -- www.imdb.com/title/tt1392214/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rtIt also displays similar demos profile as DEADPOOL and LOGAN, including the less favorable votes coming from the older demos. It looks like there is similarity for SAVING PRIVATE RYAN in the statistical distribution, except for the older demos who liked the movie as well. Maybe the reason for that are the historical references which would interest older voters and the more common genre to which it belonged? So, presumably it is the predominant male demos that will push LOGAN numbers. This will likely be in the older teens/young male adults/middle-aged male adults categories, who have followed the comics and the movie franchise in the last 2 decades or so. Interesting that there were many comments mostly from male social media entries which said this is the Wolverine movie that they have always wanted. Because in the comicbooks, Wolverine was never a shy one when it came to violence. Although, there is a nod to the angst that he felt when he came from such encounters...And because it seems to have earned such high praise from critics -- some moviegoers who are not necessarily comicbook fans may want to check it out. Of course all this talk of possible Oscar honors is making me nervous -- but if that helps the LOGAN box office, why ever not I guess Jackman female fans may want to see LOGAN, presumably and maybe only once? Or maybe a second time? Did you see PRISONERS more than once? I am glad that I do like action-oriented movies and have already booked two sets of dates and will likely go for a third one. Based on current RT critics reviews, it is being hailed not only as a great superhero movie, but a great movie, period! It is currently sitting at 96% at Rotten Tomatoes ( compare with THE DARK KNIGHT and IRON MAN, heretofore highest-rated comicbook/superhero movies, at 94%). Besides, I would like to see, more than once, what many have hailed as one of Hugh Jackman's greatest film performances! We'll see how it goes -- Jo
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Post by mamaleh on Feb 26, 2017 7:49:57 GMT -5
Jo, you could carve out a second career as a marketing analyst!
I saw PRISONERS three times in theaters, even though each time was considerably more difficult to sit through, knowing what would transpire. But I had to admire the amazing acting job Hugh did in that film.
There's a certain word "Laura" speaks late in LOGAN that just about tore me up at the preview screening Friday evening. So when I go back for repeat viewings, I'll be ready for it. It's such a well-made film, despite the violence, and Hugh and Patrick are so good together and separately, that there's no way I'm not going back for more.
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Post by jo on Feb 26, 2017 9:09:20 GMT -5
This lady poster from the UK tweets -- In the UK, it is R-15! It is going to be a really big party! I may be wrong, but there is a certain cachet among young people to brag about having seen a movie with a mature theme and treatment, and a highly praised movie by critics at that! Not trying to look down my nose at Beauty and the Beast ( I am sure it is going to be a billionaire...and I am a fan of the animated version) -- but I think boys would rather be allowed to see LOGAN than go with their Mums to see Gaston ( whose character in the live-action adaptation, unfortunately, has been changed from an amusing monster of a villain to a more sympathetic one...with not much biceps to spare). They would probably prefer to see Kong, after Logan, than the Beast Btw, this was the marketing material ( if I remember right, this was compiled by FoxUK from UK critics/media) attached to her tweet and to WolverSteve's prior tweet -- Jo
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Post by chessie on Feb 26, 2017 16:50:21 GMT -5
I may try to talk my husband into PRE - viewing the movie for me. I'm such a wuss when it comes to gore (have yet to see Saving Private Ryan) that I'll have to be told when to close my eyes! Present- day moviegoers don't seemed to be phased by violence, however, so that aspect isn't likely to keep very many away. Too bad there isn't some sort of medication to toughen up us softies. Carol
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Post by jo on Feb 26, 2017 18:46:08 GMT -5
When we see how newscasts these days use real-life photos to depict the harsh ( and oftentimes violent) realities of life -- it sorts of make it a little easier to deal with movies that include a lot of unflinching violence. I still cannot forget that image of that little boy from Syria who was drowned and washed ashore while their family was trying to flee from violence. No image of gore could be more unnerving and more heartbreaking than that image of that dead little boy Go back a few decades ago- towards the end of the Vietnam war. There was an award-winning photograph which shook the world -- the image of a nearly naked young girl fleeing from the effect of the dropping of a napalm bomb. The expression on her face mirrored a thousand times the horror of war. Re LOGAN -- I do realize that many ( or most) of us will likely cringe from the violent images in the movie -- but maybe reading some of the reviews on ROTTEN TOMATOES will help us appreciate or understand why the violence is an important part of telling that story! Jo
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Post by jo on Feb 28, 2017 21:37:41 GMT -5
Per IMDB -- release dates so far :
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Post by hughmanity on Feb 28, 2017 21:40:26 GMT -5
Have a great day at Logan, Jo! So jealous that while I'm sleeping, you'll be watching!!
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Post by jo on Feb 28, 2017 22:02:18 GMT -5
I have been reading the tweets of those who have seen the movie -- there were so many of them, I would not be able to reprint all of them here -- we might run out of band width ( or whatever you call it) But one thing I will be taking along with me -- handkies and tissues -- so many, fan boys included, teared up watching the movie, especially the emotional denouement! Sniff, sniff -- just reading their tweets! Jo
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