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Post by carouselkathy on Dec 24, 2017 16:00:39 GMT -5
New STAR WARS movie on Rotten Tomatoes: Critics: 92% Fans: 52% THE GREATEST SHOWMAN Critics 50% Fans: 86%.
Fans & Critics don't always agree. Word of mouth can help TGS a bit, but the movie screens will soon be making room for THE POST, THE SHAPE OF WATER, CALL ME BY YOUR NAME, and ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD. The days may be gone when a film can gain momentum by staying in theaters for awhile, but still hoping that SHOWMAN can stay in theaters long enough to develop an audience. I believe that IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE was not very well received when it was first released, but became an audience favorite once it hit TV screens. Critics and fans are different people.
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Post by jo on Dec 24, 2017 20:18:01 GMT -5
From Deadline.com --
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Post by jo on Dec 26, 2017 5:11:25 GMT -5
New update from Deadline --
I think they may be ignoring the younger demos votes -- very impressed social media reactions ( including planned repeat patronage) seem to be coming from this sector. Also, the IMDB voting profile shows a fairly large component coming from the 44- and- below audiences! It is across the board.
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Post by jo on Dec 28, 2017 19:43:04 GMT -5
www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4356&p=.htm*FOX has added 300 more theater screens for THE GREATEST SHOWMAN. Their own assessment that the movie is getting "a wild reception" ( as shown on social media ) probably prompted the expansion in theater screen count! Scroll down to the Facebook entry which starts with "Audiences everywhere are going wild for the musical must-see of the holiday season", with Zendaya on the photo image -- www.facebook.com/GreatestShowman/*Box Office Mojo is only expecting $ 10 million for the Friday-Sunday receipts. Ha - the author did not look at how the movie has performed since Christmas Day! www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=greatestshowman.htmWith very strong word of mouth evolving ( and reflected on Dec 25-27 domestic results), it may even compete with or get closer to Pitch Perfect 3 (Critics rating is 31% and Audience Score is 53% on RT -- only thing going for it is its franchise value) for the 3rd spot. Hope so  Also, it is the perfect movie for a New Year's Eve watch! I wonder if Hugh will be invited back to the famous Sydney fireworks display ( which he once commentated on before he became famous) ? Jo
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Post by jo on Dec 29, 2017 17:14:01 GMT -5
The signs are hopeful -- www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=greatestshowman.htmwww.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=greatestshowman.htmwww.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2017-12-28&view=1day&p=.htm*Domestic box office is $ 33.5 million up to Thursday. The weekend ( Friday to Sunday) should hopefully bolster it closer to $ 50 million. There are no major films opening on Friday. *Hopefully, the upturn on Thursday is the good sign that the box office is beginning to perk up. *That is supported by the comparative box office trends for Thursday which shows that the top 3 ( Jedi/Jumanji/PP3) showed declines while Showman is showing an uptick! The worldwide gross is updated only up to last Sunday. Foreign box office results are reported on Box Office Mojo only on a weekly basis -- Will it make its production budget of $ 84 million after this weekend results ( domestic and foreign)...or at least get much closer to it? Of course even if it does, that does not mean that it is edging towards breakeven levels. Domestic movies return only about 55% to the studio while Foreign receipts return only something like 40% or even less to the studio. China is only 25% return although it seems there are major renegotiations going on with China re the number of allowed releases and the sharing ratio. Btw, no announcement has been made that it will be shown in China yet but that may come because one of the indirect investors/financiers of the movie is a China company involved in film investing. Jo |
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Post by jo on Dec 29, 2017 17:51:30 GMT -5
I was looking at previous industry articles and came upon this bit of information from one of them -- Did THE GREATEST SHOWMAN appeal to all the sectors? The USER vote at IMDB ( currently standing at 8.0 of 10.0) has a demographic profile provided ( rating and number of voters per sector) and may show a rough indication of the relative appeal to each sector ( a little more detailed compared to the 4-quadrant desired demos breakdown). www.imdb.com/title/tt1485796/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt |
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Post by jo on Dec 29, 2017 18:22:43 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 3:08:42 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 11:19:41 GMT -5
Forbes.com forecasts for the 3-day weekend and 4-day extended weekend -- www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/30/box-office-jumanji-and-greatest-showman-score-huge-on-friday/#631c4e212431But why the sarcasm and disparaging remarks (Comparing the movie to TinTin - is he implying they are of the same entertainment value? And playing to families and kids? And calling the songs as embarrassing karaoke standards?) from Scott Mendelson about this box office accomplishment... just because he did not write a very favorable review of the movie? He is only making assumptions on why the movie is succeeding...and has not established a basis for his conclusions. If he sees the demos profile on IMDB which voted on the movie or the people who have enthusiastically populated social media to sing praises of the movie, he might change his tune ( if he can sing  ). And why diss an album that is projected by Billboard to be a soon chart-top-ten and has elicited so many covers at this early point? The matter with critics is that they tend not to accept the fact that they can be wrong ( vis-à-vis the pull of massive public opinion), Just stick to the facts, Scott! www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/20/greatest-showman-review-lots-of-songs-not-much-story/#646b17242dba |
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Post by hughmanity on Dec 30, 2017 15:58:34 GMT -5
I honestly didnt take Mendelson's remarks in the same vein (and usually I'm a "glass half-empty" sort!) I think he's been rooting for this film from the get-go, even if perhaps it didnt fulfill all his personal expectations. The fact that he says he was "fearful" for it after Christmas and "hopes" it will kick up the heat shows he's still in the movie's corner. I think he uses Tintin as a comparison for purposes of box office analysis and how Showman will eventually play out. As for the songs, in his review he actually used words such as "charming " and "kick-butt" to describe them, so I think he refers to the fact that they may become popular karaoke choices for people with embarassing voices, just as many other great tunes have been, not that the songs themselves are embarrassing. 😉 Forbes.com forecasts for the 3-day weekend and 4-day extended weekend -- www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/30/box-office-jumanji-and-greatest-showman-score-huge-on-friday/#631c4e212431But why the sarcasm and disparaging remarks (Comparing the movie to TinTin - is he implying they are of the same entertainment value? And playing to families and kids? And calling the songs as embarrassing karaoke standards?) from Scott Mendelson about this box office accomplishment... just because he did not write a very favorable review of the movie? He is only making assumptions on why the movie is succeeding...and has not established a basis for his conclusions. If he sees the demos profile on IMDB which voted on the movie or the people who have enthusiastically populated social media to sing praises of the movie, he might change his tune ( if he can sing ). And why diss an album that is projected by Billboard to be a soon chart-top-ten and has elicited so many covers at this early point? The matter with critics is that they tend not to accept the fact that they can be wrong ( vis-à-vis the pull of massive public opinion), Just stick to the facts, Scott! www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/20/greatest-showman-review-lots-of-songs-not-much-story/#646b17242dba |
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 17:49:36 GMT -5
Sorry to disagree *I have been following his write-ups on Forbes for years now ( earlier than Les Miserables), because he tended to like Jackman movies. However, there were instances when he tended to draw certain unsupported conclusions ( I once sent him an email on some unfactual stuff that he wrote). Maybe it is his style of writing ( although I sometimes wonder why a business publication like Forbes would accept contributions from someone whose articles are written the way he does his write-ups) ... but he once referred to the Showman project early on as "FOX's obvious attempt to get Hugh an Oscar" ( huh?). For one, given the resistance ( since 2009 to 2016) that FOX gave to greenlighting the project ( and if only people knew the entire story and what the creatives and producers had to do to complete that project) -- he would not be so smug and slightly derisive. Hugh has won awards before - he does not need a studio to push his chances as if he could not do it on his own merits. Prisoners and Prestige and even The Fountain were certainly no FOX productions or releases! He was almost implying that it was being done because Hugh is the XMen and not because he is a fine actor! *His allusions to the market as being "families and kids" is just his assumption. If he dug deeper into who could be doing all the movie-going, then maybe he would not be so dismissive about the appeal of the movie and smug in his conclusions. At least Deadline dug out the data on who comprised the CinemaScore of A ( maybe they had access as to which first screenings were used as random sample to build a statistical conclusion) and found out that a large majority were older women. SM's reference to TinTin was obviously his smug assumption that most of the people who came to see it were the type who would enjoy the TinTin movie ( families and kids). If he dug deeper -- he could have at the very least looked at the trend on social media -- it has been going on for days since around Christmas when the superlatives and strong support of TGS are now appearing like a (religious) litany. And I do not believe that it is families and kids mostly who are doing those postings ( although there are quite a few heads of families who have posted) -- many are from the desired demos judging from some of the poster profiles. Even Fox was so stunned at the reception that they described it as " the reception everywhere is WILD"! And have you noticed that they also changed the slant of their newer publicity material ( a lot more on Hugh and the album and a little less on the trapeze act)? It also prodded them to release those two secret videos of the last workshop (one with Hugh and FROM NOW ON and another with Keala and THIS IS ME) to prop up the demand. Both videos are now on the million hits range now! Box Office Pro also had daily monitorings on Twitter and Facebook stats for Showman and the huge blip did come a few days after the release! But it is doubtful that the surge came mostly from "families and kids". Had SM also looked at IMDB - close to 14,000 have sent in user ratings and if this is developing into a good microcosm of the audience that went to see it, then maybe he could have seen that the real strength of the audience came from the 18-44 age group ( actually every movie distributor's desired demographics) and not just from "families and kids". www.imdb.com/title/tt1485796/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rtBut the stunning stat is the AUDIENCE SCORE on Rotten Tomatoes of 90% ( compared to the critics rating of 55% at present), which is directly the reverse of The Last Jedi ( Audience score is in the low 50's while the critic rating is in the low 90's). Some have commented on that interesting disconnect! Again, it is doubtful that is just "families and kids" who have registered at RT ( required) to post the appeal of the movie to them. Also, that critic score has climbed steadily from the low of 39% to the current 55% and the surge of favorable ratings came in the last few days - maybe the not-so-famous raters are encouraged by the surge in the audience score to feel confident about voicing their critical impressions which are going against the initial uber-negative ratings of the more famous critics? And further signals that the appeal is very broad-based -- the album is about to enter the charts's top ten in the Billboard 200 - surely the purchasing did not come all from kids and families? Or for that matter the amazing news that the BluRays which are on a pre-order basis is competing in the top 20 bestseller list on Amazon. Surely that is not just "families and kids" I am not saying that I do know what is actually happening to the demand for the movie -- but if one is more observant and more analytical, someone like SM could have been more respectful of the movie that he has dismissed in his review. I am just hoping that the word of mouth from seemingly a "mesmerized" across- the- board audience will continue to support the box office trend of the movie! PS: In late 2003, a stage musical was so savaged by theatre critics ( but praised the lead so much that words like TONY shoo-in were said) that " a funeral" for the show was already predicted after the Christmas holiday passed. Ha! During the lean winter months, the show persevered (mostly due to some initiatives from the lead) and developed its audience -- and if I remember correctly, it dipped in attendance only to the low 70%)...By the time of the TONYs, things had already looked up ... and when it closed ( because the lead had other commitments he wanted to pursue) -- Michael Riedel ( who was not a believer early on) wrote an article about the Atlas who saved the show and ultimately led it to a razor-thin breakeven level! That was THE BOY FROM OZ... and partly explained why we are called the Oz-a-lots  I would love to see that story being repeated for this showman  Jo |
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 18:37:08 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 19:07:10 GMT -5
The Hollywood Reporter thinks the movie is targeting the older demos -- www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/weekend-box-office-star-wars-last-jedi-crossing-1-billion-globally-1070851The movie is confounding people who write about box office expectations for THE GREATEST SHOWMAN. Mendelson from Forbes thinks its market is the families and kids. It has been a surprise that a poorly-rated movie (which is not a franchise movie or a superhero film or a mindless comedy or an animated film ) could turn out $ 54 million in only 13 days in the domestic market. If as someone has said ( was it someone from FOX?) that movie musicals tend to be like "a marathon and not a sprint" - then let's hope GREATEST SHOWMAN has great mile-run legs! Jo |
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Post by carouselkathy on Dec 30, 2017 19:26:17 GMT -5
Went to see TGS again today. The bad news: We couldn"t get in. The good news: It was sold out!
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 19:36:43 GMT -5
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Post by carouselkathy on Dec 30, 2017 19:41:49 GMT -5
Yep, I was giggling about the sell out while I walked to Starbucks.
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 19:55:40 GMT -5
What is funny is that instead of being annoyed, you were probably rejoicing inside, Kathy And this fan shared the same experience with you -- Picked this comment up on the Facebook Page of TGS where it said that "standing ovations" ( probably referring to end-of-movie applause) were becoming common? Or do people in moviehouses stand up when they clap -- to be honest, I have never seen a movie where the audience clapped across the cinema after the movie. www.facebook.com/GreatestShowman/ |
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 20:05:52 GMT -5
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Post by carouselkathy on Dec 30, 2017 20:07:42 GMT -5
I was truly giggling because i was happy about the sell out, of course! Usually the box office for a new film declines after the first week, but it looks like word of mouth and social media is helping with this one. It explains why Fox is adding more screens. Standing ovations? This is very good news!
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Post by mamaleh on Dec 30, 2017 20:40:13 GMT -5
Earlier this week, at my third viewing of the movie, the suburban audience clapped and cheered at the end. It was startling, but I so enjoyed that response!
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 20:50:54 GMT -5
The Oscar nominations will be announced on January 23 while the Golden Globes will be awarded on January 7. If the box office for THE GREATEST SHOWMAN unexpectedly explodes ( or close to it ) in the next week or two, will Hollywood take notice and consider Hugh Jackman for a nod, even if they think the movie is flawed? How many of the voting population of AMPAS have actually seen the movie, hopefully, not on a pre-screening basis but with the masses Will a successful box office at least till before the GG Party help him win the Golden Globes? I know it may be wishful thinking... but if they see how his work in the film and the film itself is being applauded -- surely, the movie pros can appreciate that "pleasing an audience" is as important as looking always "anguished" Also, if one actor delivers in a BIG way in two opposite genres in one season -- surely, he is the ACTOR who merits at least a nomination and maybe even a win ! Jo |
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Post by jo on Dec 30, 2017 23:25:26 GMT -5
There was another tweet which is now kilometric away from the current one which said when he and his friend came to see the movie, but the only two adjacent seats available were two FRONT seats, so he decided to come another time. LOL - we practically spent our life savings to get front seats ( Row AA) to THE BOY FROM OZ... same thing happened to BACK ON BROADWAY Jo |
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Post by hughmanity on Dec 30, 2017 23:55:34 GMT -5
Thanks for taking the time to respond and points well taken as always, Jo. But I very much agree with you that the movie is pulling from more than one demo.! I suppose I found some of his comments inoffensive because I did not have the context you have regarding this writer.
Anyway, what I am still blown away by is the # of tweets and additional (not total)facebook likes the film is getting, today surpassing any other film in release with the exception of SW.
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Post by jo on Dec 31, 2017 0:13:43 GMT -5
Not sure if we have the same source ( Box Office Pro?) but here are some current social media stats for The Greatest Showman --
The trends are showing steady improvements.
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Post by hughmanity on Dec 31, 2017 0:37:24 GMT -5
Yes, boxofficepro, looking at overall Facebook and Twitter tracking charts. Not sure if we have the same source ( Box Office Pro?) but here are some current social media stats for The Greatest Showman -- The trends are showing steady improvements. |
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