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Post by jo on Oct 29, 2012 20:00:05 GMT -5
A very good summary of the key points --
www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/five-things-we-learned-from-todays-wolverine-online-chat-with-hugh-jackman>>> Five things we learned from today's 'Wolverine' online chat with Hugh Jackman
Sounds like they're pushing the character to a dark place, which could be great newsBy Drew McWeeny Monday, Oct 29, 2012 7:25 PM  Hugh Jackman sported a familiar haircut today during the online chat about next summer's 'The Wolverine' Credit: 20th Century Fox Film companies continue to push for new ways to reach out to audiences as they figure out when it's okay to start hyping a film. Summer 2013 movies are already starting to stake their claims and premiere imagery and set visit glimpses and posters. 20th Century Fox has a pretty big stake in "The Wolverine" working, and one of the first big moments for them came last week when Empire magazine revealed some of what James Mangold told them for their upcoming story. We wrote about that piece, which included a new image of Wolverine with his bone claws extended, last week, and it seemed like one more promising detail in what is shaping up as a very promising entry in the long-running "X-Men" franchise. Today, James Mangold and Hugh Jackman spoke directly to fans around the world who tuned in for a live online chat that YouTube streamed from Sydney. It sounds like more and more journalists are arriving in Sydney today for further press events in the days ahead, and according to Mangold and Jackman, they're only a few weeks away from wrapping the film. I'm guessing there's got to be a trailer soon at this rate. They've described the film, and now it's time to let people know what it's going to look like in motion, what that world is that they're talking about. When Mangold references both "The Bicentennial Man" and "The Outlaw Josey Wales" as thematic touchstones, it's probably safe to assume this isn't just going to be another standard-issue superhero movie. As Mangold said last week, the film is set after the events of all of the "X-Men" movies, once everyone is gone, and Logan is alone again. I'm sure there will be material spanning his whole life, and Mangold seems to love the notion of how it feels to live forever and lose everyone, as well as the way "Wales" tells a story about a journey built on loss and rage. Rage seemed to be a big buzz word for them today, and the other major idea was that the film is not meant to be an escalation in how big a superhero movie can be, but instead a new way into dealing with the character. Here are more points that were made today: 1 - Jackman promises this is going to have more action than any film where he's played the character so far, and action of a different nature than we've been getting in superhero films lately. Mangold talked about how superhero movies seem to have to play a constant game of one-upmanship, constantly cranking up the scale of what they do and the mayhem, destroying larger and larger cities and basically getting "louder." Both Mangold and Jackman say this film's action will be more contained, but more personal, and that Jackman has had to really push himself so Mangold can shoot long close-ups with no stuntmen and no cuts. But no matter how vicious, Mangold wants some sense of reality. "He doesn't bring down a plane in this film," he promised. 2 - It sounds like Wolverine will find his limits in this film. Jackman said, "He's at his lowest point at the beginning of the movie… he's at his most vulnerable." Since Wolverine has his healing factor, he's somewhat indestructible, and so far in the films, we haven't seen anything that seemed like a credible threat short of beheading him. Mangold promises that Wolverine will finally find his "Kryptonite" in this film, something that will push him in ways no enemy has tried before. They were both coy about the specific nature of this threat, but seemed excited by what it means for Logan. 3 - Jackman said at one point, "From 'X-Men' on, my secret dream has always been to shoot this particular story arc." Mangold said the Frank Miller/Chris Claremont Japan storyline is also one of his favorites, and was important to him to get right because of his affection for it. Fans have been asking for it since 2000. Could this finally be a case where the studios have listened and given us what we've actually been asking for? 4 - Wolverine's real power is his rage. "That's the thing that makes him badaass and cool," according to Mangold. "That's what we're trying to key in on." Ryan Penagos, who moderated the online chat, talked about the crazy photos he's seen of Jackman in full rage mode and how scary he looks in the role. Jackman laughed and said, "I show those photos to my kids all the time. It works a treat. 'Do you want me to look like this or do you want to do your homework?'" He credits his hyper-ripped appearance to, among other things, eating tips he got from Dwayne Johnson. 5 - It'll be harder to spot the bad guys this time. Mangold promises that Logan will have to negotiate a "labyrinth of 'who do I trust'?" in the film, filled with "Yakuza, industrialists, politicians, woman of various trustworthiness… other mutants," and that Logan shows up in this movie trusting no one. "Most superhero movies are very clear about who the bad guy is and who the good guys are going to have to battle at the end of the film, and this film is much more of a mystery." At the end of the chat, they teased an online reveal, and it turned out to be the teaser poster for the film, which we've embedded below for you to enjoy.  <<< Jo
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Post by rmtndew on Oct 29, 2012 22:11:06 GMT -5
When they mentioned the Kryptonite in the chat, it automatically made me think of carbonadium. If I remember correctly, it's a lower form of adamantium (what's on Wolverine's bones) and if he's injected with it, it works against the adamantium and makes his healing that of a normal person. Am I taking the Kryptonite thing too literally or did anyone else think about that, too?
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Post by jo on Oct 29, 2012 23:06:06 GMT -5
Hey, Alicia -- you are one of the true Wolverine resource persons around here! I am NOT  I was googling it...but my typing was being preceded by links that said "carbonara" at first *giggle* But further googles yielded this info from MARVEL -- So, your theory seems very, very plausible. Unless Hugh was using the word as a synomym for a superhero's vulnerability or rare weakness ? Thanks for that bit of info! Jo |
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Post by rmtndew on Oct 30, 2012 1:32:46 GMT -5
I wasn't sure if he was using it a synonym or not, because there was a series in the comics - and I want to say it was related to the Japanese series - where Logan had the adamantium removed from his bones and it had something to do with the carbonadium. And we've seen the picture of Logan with the bone claws from this movie. I'm sure I'm way over thinking all of this! Sorry for geeking out. lol
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Post by jo on Oct 30, 2012 2:28:39 GMT -5
You may really have something there 8-)
Quite a few speculated that the reason why he may have bone claws was that they have flashbacks in this movie ( going back to the time before the adamantium was melded to his skeleton) but I find that not very plausible based on what Mangold was saying that they did not want to deal with " what happened in the past" but more on the future for Wolverine.
Maybe an encounter with carbonadium in this movie results in temporary loss of the steel coating of his original bone claws? Or something? Hence the bone claws -- or maybe that was just a speculation that even if he lost his adamantium bonding, that he would continue to have his ability to slice and dice???
LOL - I am way overspeculating. I can't wait to hear what the true fanboys are now thinking about...would love to read all that ;D
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Post by jo on Oct 30, 2012 2:55:11 GMT -5
Further research on adamantium and its related metal alloys ( whatever ;D) -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantium Among others, there is the mention of carbonadium -- BUT -- something has struck me as another possibility about the production of carbonadium. Was it totally an invention using a certain kind of machine?? Or could it also have intergalactic origins - like the meteor in Origins which yielded adamantium? Remember the early episode of the movie in Africa. The reason why I asked -- was because one of Ryan Penagos's tweets yesterday was initially incomprehensible to me -- What the --- ? 2hRyan Penagosþ@AgentM
ZOMG therock is here! #TheWolverine http://instagram.com/p/RXG35Wks0- Check out the photo attached -- it looks like a piece of a meteor!! It could now make sense ;D PS1 - to Alicia -- thanks to you, I was able to contribute this conjecture on the IMDB Board of the movie.PS2 - the "kryptonite" factor was mentioned in the chat on the subject of his healing ability 8-) Jo, aka Nancy Drew |
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Post by jo on Oct 30, 2012 5:59:05 GMT -5
Can't quite believe the universal praise that the teaser poster has received - across the board in geekland! *There is the artistic side as well as how it resonates to the Japanese origin of this saga *There is the bleakness of the character ( the isolation, the weight of immortality, the inner demons) that it suggests, by its film noir representation *There is the suggestion of new beginnings for a franchise that has had its share of disappointments. Hey, even Harry Knowles, the geekiest of all the fanboy nerds and head honcho of AIN'T IT COOL NEWS ( and someone that Wolverine, aka Hugh Jackman, follows himself on Twitter) is super-impressed and is rebuilding his hopes for the movie! www.aintitcool.com/node/59360I love the poster for itself! I think the artist deserves all the congratulations!Sorry, Valjean -- this poster is COOL! Jo |
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Post by birchie on Oct 30, 2012 9:12:23 GMT -5
I wasn't sure if he was using it a synonym or not, because there was a series in the comics - and I want to say it was related to the Japanese series - where Logan had the adamantium removed from his bones and it had something to do with the carbonadium. And we've seen the picture of Logan with the bone claws from this movie. I'm sure I'm way over thinking all of this! Sorry for geeking out. lol - Alicia I remember years ago reading about a series where he had his adamantium removed but I don't remember it as being the Japanese story. I seem to recall sabertooth being in it but I don't remember anything else about it. Some random thoughts about the chat. I think the bone claws are from the part of the movie that seems to be in a Japanese POW camp that they filmed early on. Maybe it's a flashback. If they only have the bone claws in the POW scene then it wouldn't have anything to do with losing his adamantium. While I was listening to them talk almost coyly about something being sort of his Kryptonite I had an immediate flash to a woman. The reference doesn't have to be an actual element, it could just be referring to something that makes him vulnerable. Loved the chat, can't wait for the movie. Sue |
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Post by njr on Oct 30, 2012 15:07:00 GMT -5
And a shot of Hugh Ryan Penagos from Marvel, and James Mangold afetr the chat!  Notice Ryan with his partially covered Wolverine shirt (trying to be not so obvious about it!) ;D Nancy |
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Post by jo on Oct 30, 2012 19:46:33 GMT -5
Collider.com was kind enough to provide a transcription of the chat ( not 100%, but fairly close to it) --
Q: Where does this story fit into the X-Men timeline?[
James Mangold: This film situates itself after the three X-Men movies that exist and finds Logan at a point when the X-Men are gone, Jean Grey is gone, a lot of the ties he had to the world are gone. It was very important to me, I wanted to place this movie in a story where Hugh and I could allow it to create its own world. Not having to answer to another movie or hand-off to another movie, that we could kind of do what we wanted to do and take him where we were going to take him. I also think it’s a really interesting place to find Logan, which is at this moment when almost every intimate connection he’s had to the world is destroyed or broken.
Hugh Jackman: He’s definitely at his lowest point at the beginning of this movie. You’ll see him more vulnerable than you’ve ever seen him before. So it’s a fantastic place to start and having Jim there has been amazing. We worked together before on Kate & Leopold, but he pushes me, probably like no one else does. It’s been good.
Mangold: We have a lot of fun. For me, making a lot of dramas…on one side it’s a different sort of challenge, and on the other, it’s not a challenge at all, meaning that my goal is to try and bring the realism and acting you might find in a straight drama with the intentions and conflict, where it doesn’t feel tongue-in-cheek, but rather committed and real.
Q: How did you grow that awesome facial hair?
Jackman: [Laughs] I’m not sure I’m proud of it. It’s something I inherited from my father; luckily not the back hair as well. This is part of my heritage, that’s one thing I can do relatively easily. In fact, in my sleep I can do it. [Laughs]
Q: If you could have any mutant power, which one would you pick?
Jackman: Definitely teleporting for me. Obviously, the amount we travel around, the ability to be *bang* anywhere would be fantastic.
Mangold: Mind-control, some kind of getting in peoples’ minds. As a director…
Jackman: You’ve already got that! [Laughs]
Mangold: Just knowing what people are thinking, that would be scary…
Jackman: I can’t even read reviews, let alone know what people are really thinking.
Q: What new life does The Wolverine bring to the character?
Jackman: I never thought I’d be playing one character for this long, but I have to admit, from X-Men, my secret dream was to always shoot this particular arc of Logan’s story. From a very popular comic book arc, a samurai story set in Japan…Logan comes into it very much the tragic hero. As we’ve said, at the beginning of this movie, all the people that meant anything to him are gone. A lot of which he blames on himself. The movie’s called The Wolverine, and what Jim and I talked about, we really wanted this movie to actually, better than ever before, encapsulate that character. Forgetting all the others, whatever happens afterwards, this movie needed to be the one where you finish watching it and go, “Right. I got that character.” In every way: physically, emotionally, I had to go further. You have to see him lower, more desperate, more at stake than ever before.
Mangold: And more rage. I think the thing I want to see, for those who are fans of the comic, one of the aspects that is so huge for this character is his rage, anger. I think that for me, there was a lot of research and thinking about how to find that and tap into it, and also set up the story in a way…The Outlaw Josey Wales, was something I thought about a lot as I set out on this movie. It’s a phenomenal film in which Clint Eastwood watches his wife and children murdered in the first three minutes. The reason I kept thinking about it is because of how neatly and concisely the setup of that film set Clint off on a journey that was built on loss and rage, not just depression and disillusionment, but a quest for revenge. That aspect of darkness was something I felt was such an integral part of the Marvel legacy of this character. It’s easier to develop when a film is just about one character, rather than a team or a squad. You can really get inside Logan’s shoes.
Q: How long have you been filming and where have you filmed?
Jackman: We’ve been filming now for three months and we’ve filmed obviously in Japan, the story is primarily set in Japan. We shot there for three or four weeks. We shot there on locations, we shot in Tokyo, obviously outside at Tomonoura at this fishing village, we shot in bullet train stations, we shot all over the place. It was fascinating and something I’ll never forget. It looks incredible. The rest of it has been shot here in Sydney, on locations and stages. I’m as amazed and as proud as anyone to see how incredibly like Japan this looks. It’s been fascinating and it’s been great.
Mangold: Well, Japan for this film becomes like a kind of Oz that Logan travels to, like in The Wizard of Oz. It’s this fever dream. The original Miller-Claremont comic was all these aspects of Japanese culture that are there, from Yakuza, to mobsters, to samurai, to ninjas…it’s all there. So we tried to construct something very realistically acted and in some ways realistically looking, but also, what I always say to our production designer, kind of a fever dream. I also think it should be heightened some way or feel like it’s more, like the volume knob has been turned up visually.
Jackman: This family dynasty that he walks in upon…this is one of the reasons I was so fascinated because Logan, in many ways, in essence, is the opposite of everything about Japanese culture. He’s not about duty or honor or history or tradition or family, hierarchies, none of that. So it really sets itself up in many ways. The juxtaposition is just perfect.
Q: How is the level of danger established for Wolverine considering his healing powers?
Jackman: That’s a really good question because you’re always in danger with someone like Wolverine because he has his healing ability; unless you lop his head off, he’s going to come back at you. Actually, in this movie, he discovers his kryptonite.
Mangold: Yeah, there’s the kryptonite metaphor you could make. We’re addressing that, meaning there is a challenge he faces that poses a challenge to him and makes it harder for him. I think that it’s something we don’t want to give away more about it now, but I think that we’re very conscious of that. There’s two aspects: one is what Hugh is alluding too, which is that some of the people Logan is up against might have found ways of getting to him that are different than we’ve seen before. But also, we’ve made a concerted effort to try and make the film more real, and to pull back a little on the super-duper abilities of Logan. He doesn’t bring down any airplanes. He’s grounded. I wanted the action in this film to feel physical and to feel possible for someone with his abilities. I think some of it is bringing it down to Earth in a way that is no less exciting, no less visually exciting, but less dependent on giant CG. Hugh, I have to say and me and the stunt team working on this picture, is, if not the most, than one of the most talented physical actors alive. He can jump into these fight sequences and the choreography, I think people are going to see, is amazing and physical and real, and he’s doing it. There are some long takes where there is some badass stuff going on.
Jackman: The great thing that Jim talked about in the beginning and is a great thing to key in on is that, yes, he has claws and an adamantium skeleton and his healing ability. His ultimate weapon is his rage, his ultimate weapon is that thing in here. There are others that have stronger superpowers on paper, but who’s the person you least want to annoy? Wolverine. And that’s the thing that makes him badass, that’s the thing that makes him cool and that’s the thing we’re trying to key in on. Not this inflation of powers, not the healing ability, but really when it comes to it, it’s that berserker rage.
Mangold: We don’t want to succumb to what’s been going on for years now, which is almost like an arms race of action movies, when they try and out-do the spectacle and it keeps growing until you reach a ceiling. Music can only get so loud and then you have to do something different, it can’t just be loud. In some way, what we’re trying to do, sure this is a tentpole movie and there’s outrageous action, but in the world of the Bourne films, or the Dark Knight films, films where it’s not necessarily as about blowing up planet Earth, but the physicality of the action is something I think people will find really gripping.
Q: How did you intensify your training for this particular film?
Jackman: I started earlier, I started a long way earlier. Jim and I have been on this movie for two years. The script was ready, I knew we had the time. For whatever reason, I never felt I had the proper preparation time, with this I had it.
Mangold: You mean on past films?
Jackman: On past films, on past X-Men films. So I had no excuse. So I started earlier. I’m not getting younger, so basically I started training harder, eating better. I’ll tell you, I rang my mate Dwayne Johnson and he gave me some great tips about eating, which I’m actually angry with him about. [Laughs] 6,000 calories a day. I’ve killed more chickens than I’d like. [Laughs] I’m really happy that finally I feel like, physically, what I see on film is how I saw it in my head. By the way, this is not a vanity thing, this isn’t about looking buff. It’s important that that rage inside is seen in his body, so it’s not enough for him to be buff like he’s gone to the gym; I wanted to see veins, I wanted him to be animalistic, I wanted not “pretty,” but frightening.
Mangold: It’s like a raw nerve. The physicality that Hugh has worked so hard to embody, when we get back to talking about rage and the physicality of the character, nothing speaks louder than his silhouette in a scene with lightning in the sky and you see the cut of his body and you understand that this guy can tear you apart.
Q: What sort of enemies does Wolverine face in this film?
Mangold: Yakuza, industrialists, politicians, women of varying degrees of “what are they? Who are they? Can I trust them?” It’s a labyrinth. I think that one of the things we’re trying to do in this picture, there’s an array…other mutants…there’s an array of people he will come in contact with, both good, bad and a question mark. I think part of the energy of the film…most superhero movies are eminently clear about who the “bad guy” is at the beginning and who the heroes have to battle to save this plot of land or group of people from the bad guys. This is a film where it is much more of a mystery or a labyrinth. Who can I trust? Where can I trust? It’s part of what makes it so interesting that Logan enters the story trusting no one, because he then has to come through this array of people he meets in Japan of good, bad and indifferent.
Jackman: I don’t want this to sound cheesy, but I think also, himself. More than ever we’ve explored this war within himself, which is so endemic, which is why people love the character. In this movie, we explore his immortality, the burden of that. At the beginning of this movie, he’s finding it tough to find a reason to live. That essential battle goes with him throughout the movie and is one of the really important things.
Mangold: When I got involved with the project, one of the huge things that was inspiring to me was this aspect of, if you place the story after the other X-Men films where he’s lost everything, and you’re faced with the theme of the weight for gods, which that’s what superheroes are in a way. The weight of forever. The heavy burden of living forever and what it means…The aspects of living forever and losing everyone you love, what is it like to live, essentially, forever? To keep trudging on, to keep rescuing humanity…
Jackman: I remember our first conversation, actually, you said to me, “Enough with the, ‘I can’t remember what happened to me…what was my past? Who am I?’” We’ve explored it enough. It’s more like the future, how do I live with myself? How do I live with whatever knowledge I have and whatever’s happened. By this point, there is enough knowledge…I thought that was such a fresh perspective and more interesting for people to follow as a storyline.
Q: Which Wolverine comics are your personal favorites?
Mangold: I actually love this saga. When I was in this world of collecting, it was the one that landed, both from a visceral level…I loved the artwork, the Japanese aesthetic with the Wolverine aesthetic. I loved the aspect that it was character based. I loved the whole saga and the whole world, but it was a tremendous opportunity when this came up because it was always a series I really responded to.
Jackman: Same with me. It’s my favorite series on the Japanese samurai saga. But I also love Weapon X, he’s just classic. I love it. Still would love to see that scene where his hair grows back and the technicians are like, “Look at his hair. My God! It’s growing back!” That’s the one bit I still want to see.
Q: What is your favorite prop from the set and do you get to keep any?
Mangold: Well, the swords…within the context of the Japanese world of it all, there are some really…when you see the movie and you see close-ups of these swords, they’re incredible. The way the steel is manipulated…Japanese blades are beyond beautiful and they’re made in this process of folding that produces almost like woodgrain in the steel. They’re exquisite. The armorer and the weapons and props are amazing. The bone claws always make me smile. They’re just something that is primal and primeval and speak to me about who Wolvie is at his base and what he came from.
Jackman: Of course, I’ve got a set of claws. I’ve actually got a few of those stashed away. [Laughs] I’ve actually been a fan of Japanese samurai armor for a long time…I find the Japanese armor to be so beautiful.
Q: If you could sum up the movie in a couple of sentences, how would you describe it?
Mangold: It is awesome. [Laughs] I’d say, Logan enters a labyrinth of mystery, adventure, violence, love, heartbreak…
Jackman: Go to the title. The title gives you a big clue about this movie. If you’ve ever liked the character of Wolverine, of Logan, this is the movie for you. It’s called The Wolverine.
Mangold: It’s 100%, undiluted Wolverine.
Jackman: You’re going to see every side to him. There’s going to be some surprises in there too. I just might want to add to that, having gone through it for 12 weeks and having played this role for 10 years, action-wise, this is going to be the most action-packed and new and exciting than there’s ever been before.
Q: When can we see The Wolverine in theaters?
Mangold: The 26th of July, 2013, day and date around the world. And in the road to that, there will be trailers and things coming out to whet your appetite.
Which responses did you find interesting or intriguing?
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Post by nevaeh777 on Oct 30, 2012 19:47:45 GMT -5
I have to admit, I was also confused by Ryan Penagos's tweet regarding "therock". I thought, at first, he was trying to tell us that Dwayne Johnson was on the set LOL! Not hard to believe since Hugh mentioned he was helping him out regarding the whole diet thing. Then when I saw the photo attachment, I thought, "What on earth is that? Is this something only the fanboys are going to understand?" I, too, wondered what Hugh and James Mangold were alluding to regarding Logan's "Kryptonite". The conversations goes: HUGH: ..."You're always in danger with someone like Wolverine of feeling, well, he can get out of anything because he has healing ability and, you know, unless you lop his head off, you know, really he's gonna come back at you. Um, and actually in this movie, ah, how do we put it? Let's say, he discovers his Kryptonite. MANGOLD: We're addressing that. There's a Kryptonite kind of metaphor you could make. There's also just, what we could say to Christopher is, that we're addressing that. Meaning that there is a challenge he faces that poses a challenge to him and makes it harder for him. Um, I think that it's something we wouldn't want to give away more about now, but I think that we're very conscious of that. There's two aspects. One is what Hugh is alluding to, which is that some of the people Logan is up against might have found ways of getting to him that are different than we've seen before." Now, if I look at that last part where Mangold says these people have found ways of getting to Logan "that are different than we've seen before" then I don't think it can be a woman. I might be wrong there, but that angle kind of already was done in Xmen Origins: Wolverine with the surprise of Kayla (Silverfox) working for Stryker. I think this is going to be something very different. I don't know if it will have anything to do with the carbonadium or not? Who knows? I think that story tied in with some of the other Xmen though, including Sabretooth (as Sue mentioned). I think I remember The Hand having something to do with that storyline too. This whole thing certainly has my curiousity. :: And that's exactly what they wanted to achieve LOL! |
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Post by jo on Oct 30, 2012 19:57:25 GMT -5
And the fact that James Mangold practically stopped Hugh from saying something more ( " We don't want to give something away too much" or words to that effect) - seems to indicate this is going to be one BIG secret!
Some people on superhero boards say it could be the MURAMASA blade in the sword of the Silver Samurai which contains something that makes Wolverine vulnerable.
I guess they want us to see the movie itself - LOL!
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Post by jo on Oct 30, 2012 20:00:29 GMT -5
Physically??!! That is my naughty mind speaking!
Emotionally??!! Fanboys do not want the movie showing him "crying and blabbering". Maybe stoicism??!!
Mentally??!! Now, that is heard to show graphically! LOL!
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Post by rmtndew on Oct 31, 2012 1:57:11 GMT -5
I wasn't sure if he was using it a synonym or not, because there was a series in the comics - and I want to say it was related to the Japanese series - where Logan had the adamantium removed from his bones and it had something to do with the carbonadium. And we've seen the picture of Logan with the bone claws from this movie. I'm sure I'm way over thinking all of this! Sorry for geeking out. lol - Alicia I remember years ago reading about a series where he had his adamantium removed but I don't remember it as being the Japanese story. I seem to recall sabertooth being in it but I don't remember anything else about it. Some random thoughts about the chat. I think the bone claws are from the part of the movie that seems to be in a Japanese POW camp that they filmed early on. Maybe it's a flashback. If they only have the bone claws in the POW scene then it wouldn't have anything to do with losing his adamantium. While I was listening to them talk almost coyly about something being sort of his Kryptonite I had an immediate flash to a woman. The reference doesn't have to be an actual element, it could just be referring to something that makes him vulnerable. Loved the chat, can't wait for the movie. Sue I think there were a couple of story-lines where the adamantium was taken out. At one point Magneto actually rips it from his body. But the one I'm thinking of, I'm pretty sure happens right after the Japanese saga. Logan goes into the mountains of Japan, basically exiling himself, and somehow finds a lab set back in the rocks (things like that make sense in comic books, apparently  ) and agrees to be experimented on because he wants to lose his memory at that point. I think that's when they take the metal from his bones. But I could be wrong about this. I used to read several different Wolverine comics at once and the novels, so I could have gotten a few things mixed up, but I feel like I'm not too far off. I know someone mentioned whether carbonadium could be a rock like adamantium was in Origins and to be honest, I don't know because I don't remember adamantium actually being a rock in any of the comics. I do know that the carbonadium was turned into a mist and could be sprayed into Wolverine's throat and knock him out, they also made bullets out of it so when he was shot with them, it slowed down his healing. As for the Silver Samurai's sword, I don't think they would include it because the story behind it is more supernatural than science fiction and I don't know if that would fit in with James Mangold's attempt to make this movie more grounded in reality. I do love to having something new to speculate over. I've missed Wolverine! - Alicia |
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Post by nevaeh777 on Oct 31, 2012 14:06:18 GMT -5
You're absolutely right Alicia in that adamantium wasn't a rock in the comic version! They only used that in the "Origins" film version that it was made from a fallen chunk of meteorite or something. In the comics, it was from man-made metal alloys.
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Post by jo on Oct 31, 2012 19:21:38 GMT -5
Alicia,
I only have the Claremont/Miller compilation on the Japanese saga. Where could I find what you mentioned here --
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Post by rmtndew on Oct 31, 2012 23:28:54 GMT -5
I'm thinking I bought mine as a graphic novel version from Books-A-Million. I'm trying to look it up online but the only thing I can find is that it's related to the New Avengers series. It's from after he regained his memories and goes back to Japan to try to come to terms with what happened. What I'm finding, though, is not that he lost his adamantium but that the saga flashes back to Japan after WWII before his bones were coated in it. He was in love with a woman named Itsu - so it's different than the one with Mariko. I haven't bought comics regularly like I used to, so I tend to forget what happened when, but I knew it was something to do with Japan but it wasn't the Claremont-Miller saga.
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Post by jo on Nov 1, 2012 18:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Nov 2, 2012 6:42:19 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Nov 3, 2012 6:26:58 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Nov 6, 2012 17:54:47 GMT -5
An update from James Mangold --
>>>James Mangoldþ@mang0ld
Apologies for quiet. I've been buried for weeks now, completing a pair of major action sequences for the film. Two weeks left as of today.
12:36 PM - 6 Nov 12 · Details <<<
That would be November 20, if everything works out during filming!!
Wow - Hugh's schedule is going to be so bunched up!
Isn't Thanksgiving on November 22? The special screenings in Hollywood for Les Miserables will be for that weekend!
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Post by jo on Nov 11, 2012 2:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by jo on Nov 15, 2012 1:26:21 GMT -5
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Chris at Heliaust gave us this spectacular view of wentworth falls on our way to set today. pic.twitter.com/synf9JkK<<<They must be on the last leg of filming? Jo |
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Post by jo on Nov 15, 2012 6:20:54 GMT -5
And James Mangold confirms that they are wrapping on Wednesday --
>>>James Mangoldþ@mang0ld
@michaelchiklis we wrap in Australia next Wednesday -- and I'm on a plane to LA on Thanksgiving.<<<
Can't quite believe they are just about done! Hugh has completed two difficult ( to film) movies in a span of 8 1/2 months!
Bravo!!
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) and agrees to be experimented on because he wants to lose his memory at that point. I think that's when they take the metal from his bones. But I could be wrong about this. I used to read several different Wolverine comics at once and the novels, so I could have gotten a few things mixed up, but I feel like I'm not too far off. 
