LOGAN ( Spoiler Alert)

[jo]

Many people find it difficult to rewatch the movie beause of the emotions spilling over!

*the poignant story of a father and daughter finding each other, but to lose each other again.

*the compelling story of Wolverine eternally fighting his inner demons ( the evil side, personified by X-24)...but this time succeeding!

*the heartbreaking story of mentor and prodigy, Prof X and Logan, spending their last days together!


*And maybe even more sad -- fans realizing that the film is Hugh Jackman's Wolverine swan song!


Jo

[jo]

Wrong thread -- No

[jo]

Interesting how for the first time the comic book version is stealing from a film adaptation that has already been made. The OLD MAN LOGAN Marvel comic book character borrows a key feature from LOGAN that suggests that Old Man Logan may be at the end of his life.


www.cbr.com/old-man-logan-adamantium-poisoning/

[jo]

That's a pretentious statement. If LOGAN had not been considered a great movie, why would it have won an Oscar nomination for Best Adapted Screenplay, as that would represent the essence of the movie itself. Acting performances and other creative aspects ( such as direction/cinematograpy/production design/etc.) allows a great story to become a great movie, but the essence has got to be whether the storyline can be translated into a great film. The Oscar nod was voted upon by the branch of the AMPAS composed of screenwriters, so the essence of that award was given with well-thought out review of its merits by people who are experts in the field. While not able to achieve nomination status for acting honors, the trio of Jackman, Stewart, and Keen delivered one of the best combos of acting delivery! And it delivered on various acting challenges from an excellent dramatic team ( who incidentally wore claws or was head honcho of gifted people). Audience reactions were very emotional as they were touched by the story of a family unit who wanted to find happiness as a unit together but it turned out to be only a pipe dream. How many tears were shed for LOGAN? Maybe Hawke wanted the artsy type of hype for the movie and could not see the value of this particular type of film story telling?


Was he just jealous? Does he think sci-fiction films more worthy, like his Gattaca?


Jo

[hughmanity]

Definitely pretentious and condescending...and besides...he's wrong about one thing for sure-- who was in the tights??!!! Lol.

Aug 25, 2018 14:09:31 GMT -5 jo said:

That's a pretentious statement. If LOGAN had not been considered a great movie, why would it have won an Oscar nomination for Best Adapted Screenplay, as that would represent the essence of the movie itself. Acting performances and other creative aspects ( such as direction/cinematograpy/production design/etc.) allows a great story to become a great movie, but the essence has got to be whether the storyline can be translated into a great film. The Oscar nod was voted upon by the branch of the AMPAS composed of screenwriters, so the essence of that award was given with well-thought out review of its merits by people who are experts in the field. While not able to achieve nomination status for acting honors, the trio of Jackman, Stewart, and Keen delivered one of the best combos of acting delivery! And it delivered on various acting challenges from an excellent dramatic team ( who incidentally wore claws or was head honcho of gifted people). Audience reactions were very emotional as they were touched by the story of a family unit who wanted to find happiness as a unit together but it turned out to be only a pipe dream. How many tears were shed for LOGAN? Maybe Hawke wanted the artsy type of hype for the movie and could not see the value of this particular type of film story telling?


Was he just jealous? Does he think sci-fiction films more worthy, like his Gattaca?


Jo

[hughmanity]

Posting  here because this is the Logan Bronco.  How cool!  See more pix at
www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/4134345/hugh-jackman-rides-around-in-the-ford-bronco-from-logan-03/

[jo]

WOW -- are such battered-looking and rusty vehicles even allowed at the Hamptons

Hugh Jackman gets into his car with wife Deborra-Lee Furness on Friday afternoon (August 24) in the Hamptons, N.Y.
The 49-year-old actor was spotted driving the 1976 Ford Bronco that his character used in the hit movie Logan.

Was it given to Hugh as a souvenir of his most important Wolverine movie? Didn't he wreck it at some point? That vehicle is wearing its "scars" with pride


Jo

[jo]

Aug 25, 2018 14:09:31 GMT -5 jo said:

That's a pretentious statement. If LOGAN had not been considered a great movie, why would it have won an Oscar nomination for Best Adapted Screenplay, as that would represent the essence of the movie itself. Acting performances and other creative aspects ( such as direction/cinematograpy/production design/etc.) allows a great story to become a great movie, but the essence has got to be whether the storyline can be translated into a great film. The Oscar nod was voted upon by the branch of the AMPAS composed of screenwriters, so the essence of that award was given with well-thought out review of its merits by people who are experts in the field. While not able to achieve nomination status for acting honors, the trio of Jackman, Stewart, and Keen delivered one of the best combos of acting delivery! And it delivered on various acting challenges from an excellent dramatic team ( who incidentally wore claws or was head honcho of gifted people). Audience reactions were very emotional as they were touched by the story of a family unit who wanted to find happiness as a unit together but it turned out to be only a pipe dream. How many tears were shed for LOGAN? Maybe Hawke wanted the artsy type of hype for the movie and could not see the value of this particular type of film story telling?


Was he just jealous? Does he think sci-fiction films more worthy, like his Gattaca?


Jo

[jo]

No one seems to agree with Ethan Hawke.

etcanada.com/news/360994/ethan-hawke-says-logan-was-just-fine-big-business-wants-you-to-think-this-is-a-great-film/

Ethan Hawke Says ‘Logan’ Was Just Fine: ‘Big Business Wants You To Think This Is A Great Film’

By Shakiel Mahjouri. 38 mins ago


Add Ethan Hawke to the list of actors who don’t think superhero movies are a big deal.

The “Boyhood” and “Training Day” actor said Hollywood has conditioned people to lower their expectations when it comes to great works of film. Hawke, 47, specifically addressed “Logan”, a movie he believes is good by superhero standards but by no means is a masterpiece.

“Now we have the problem that they tell us ‘Logan’ is a great movie. Well, it’s a great superhero movie. It still involves people in tights with metal coming out of their hands,” the actor told Film Stage. “It’s not Bresson. It’s not Bergman. But they talk about it like it is.”

“I went to see ‘Logan’ ‘cause everyone was like, ‘This is a great movie’ and I was like, ‘Really? No, this is a fine superhero movie.’ There’s a difference, but big business doesn’t think there’s a difference,” Hawke explained. “Big business wants you to think that this is a great film because they wanna make money off of it.”


Hugh Jackman’s final outing as “Logan” earned a 93 per cent certified fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes with an average rating of 7.9/10 across 346 reviews.

The interview with Hawke was occasioned by his lifetime achievement award at the Locarno Film Festival.

[jo]

One of the best known films of Hawke's film gods, SMILES OF A SUMMER NIGHT by Ingmar Bergman was rated 7.9 (from approx. 10,000 voters) on IMDB. Bergman's Wild Strawberries earned 8.2 from 79,000 votes. Fanny and Alexander was rated 8.1 by almost 50,000 votes on IMDB.


www.imdb.com/title/tt0048641/
www.imdb.com/title/tt0050986/?ref_=nv_sr_1
www.imdb.com/title/tt0083922/?ref_=nm_knf_i2


LOGAN was rated 8.1 ( from among 500,000 voters) also on IMDB

www.imdb.com/title/tt3315342/?ref_=nv_sr_2


SMILES OF A SUMMER NIGHT was voted 100% by 13 critics on Rotten Tomatoes. FANNY AND ALEXANDER also scored 100% from 35 critic votes on RT. WILD STRAWBERRIES earned 96% on RT from 43 critics. On the other hand, LOGAN scored 93% from 346 critics on Rotten Tomatoes.




Luc Bresson movies were all rated by IMDB readers as below LOGAN'S rating, save for LEON. However LOGAN scored a Metascore of 77 while LEON only obtained a METASCORE of 64.

www.imdb.com/list/ls069191973/


In comparison, LOGAN was not too shabby

[jo]

www.indiewire.com/2018/08/ethan-hawke-logan-overrated-superhero-movies-1201997725/

It is not so much the article which agrees with Ethan Hawke's condescension towards superhero movies... but check out the comments which also seem to be patronizing towards the genre. Note that this is a site which specializes in indie movies

Did they even ( bother to) see LOGAN? Did they not appreciate the lonely journey of a man riddled with a personal angst and burden? They did not appreciate the family dynamics among the three top characters, each one with his own journey to make? Did the story of redemption not sink in at all? Films are not meant for a display of artsy styles of filmmaking ( otherwise people will not come to see them) but they are meant as celebrations of humanity!

[mamaleh]

Hawkes’s statements are pretty pretentious, much like the miles-too-long BOYHOOD. I think he totally missed the point of LOGAN. The central character could just as easily be a retired gunslinger or assassin. The claws are irrelevant to the major themes of the movie—which by the way is much more watchable than GATTACA.

Ellen

[jo]

I wonder -- indie movies are only celebrated now in festivals and awards. Not much, if at all, in cinemas or on home video sales! Culture is a very human flow of people's likes and prefences. Indie films can be a people-mover if they deal with human stories affecting people, not just personal journeys filled with angst or strange yearnings.

Hugh's new projects THE FRONT RUNNER and BAD EDUCATION are considered indies because they are smaller-scale projects.

But the stories they tell are relevant and tell of events and experiences of everyday lives. They may even touch national attention because of the subjects and the relevance they have on the current cultural and social scene!

That is the kind of indies which can draw audiences!

[jo]

Lol - hell hath no fury than...

[jo]

Aug 25, 2018 18:22:58 GMT -5 jo said:

WOW -- are such battered-looking and rusty vehicles even allowed at the Hamptons

Hugh Jackman gets into his car with wife Deborra-Lee Furness on Friday afternoon (August 24) in the Hamptons, N.Y.
The 49-year-old actor was spotted driving the 1976 Ford Bronco that his character used in the hit movie Logan.

Was it given to Hugh as a souvenir of his most important Wolverine movie? Didn't he wreck it at some point? That vehicle is wearing its "scars" with pride


Jo

Er… given that the soundtrack album of THE GREATEST SHOWMAN has been given a Double-Platinum RIAA certification, maybe our Rock Star Logan can now afford a slightly newer vehicle? Or does he prefer to show off his LOGAN-scarred mode of transport

[jo]

Ethan Hawke's comments are now being picked up by the movie press/blogging community, which will lead to more debates.

screenrant.com/ethan-hawke-slams-logan-not-great-movie/

comicbook.com/marvel/2018/08/25/ethan-hawke-criticizes-superhero-movies-logan/

Check out Readers Comments as well.


Well, it will definitely give new focus on LOGAN -- and, hopefully, those who missed seeing it will now make an effort to watch the movie.


Jo

[hughmanity]

If you actually want to see him drive the truck...😉

http://instagram.com/p/Bm3P1kZnV1W

[jo]

I wonder if he gets confused sometimes, as they drive on the other side of the road in Australia?

[jo]

New music to evoke the hopes for a better future for the young mutants!

[njr]

Aug 25, 2018 18:22:58 GMT -5 jo said:

WOW -- are such battered-looking and rusty vehicles even allowed at the Hamptons

Hugh Jackman gets into his car with wife Deborra-Lee Furness on Friday afternoon (August 24) in the Hamptons, N.Y.
The 49-year-old actor was spotted driving the 1976 Ford Bronco that his character used in the hit movie Logan.

Was it given to Hugh as a souvenir of his most important Wolverine movie? Didn't he wreck it at some point? That vehicle is wearing its "scars" with pride


Jo

I bet they had to have more than one identical Bronco for the movie. So funny that Hugh got to keep one! 😂

[jo]

BRAVO, JoBlo, for standing up for LOGAN...and reducing Ethan Hawke's small-minded condescension to the likes of a garbage heap!!

I have always respected JoBlo's forthrightness, including the people who respond to its articles, and this is one instance which validates my regard for their objectivity and sense of fairness.


www.joblo.com/movie-news/ethan-hawke-says-superhero-movies-like-logan-get-too-much-praise-159

Ethan Hawke says superhero movies like Logan get too much praise

10 hours ago
by: Matt Rooney


While everyone is showering praise on comic book movies like LOGAN and BLACK PANTHER and wondering what will happen in the next AVENGERS movie, Ethan Hawke is basically living as a walking-talking “not impressed” meme. LOGAN, in particular, got some of the best reviews of any comic book movie and became the first to get nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay at the Oscars, but Hawke thinks it isn’t anything more than a “fine superhero movie.”


The star of this year’s FIRST REFORMED and JULIET, NAKED talked about superhero movies during an interview with Film Stage, where shared his thoughts on why he thinks there needs to be a differentiation between superhero movies and "real" movies

“Now we have the problem that they tell us Logan is a great movie,” he said. “Well, it’s a great superhero movie. It still involves people in tights with metal coming out of their hands. It’s not Bresson. It’s not Bergman. But they talk about it like it is.”


Now, the interview itself probably took place inside some average building, but I can imagine Hawke came upon this thought of his while circling a small spoon inside an espresso cup resting on a small saucer in front of a Parisian café.

He continued, saying the only reason we as simple-minded audience members think LOGAN is a great movie is because the big business folks behind it want us to think it is.


“I went to see ‘Logan’ ‘cause everyone was like, ‘This is a great movie’ and I was like, ‘Really? No, this is a fine superhero movie.’ There’s a difference, but big business doesn’t think there’s a difference. Big business wants you to think that this is a great film because they wanna make money off of it.”



Hawke, a notable figure in the world of independent filmmaking, can have any opinion he wants about any movie, but when he belittles other people's opinions and love for a movie, simply because he thinks the genre is somehow lesser, he starts to come off as smug. Pretentiousness and art-house elitism ooze off his words. We can go off on this topic all day, but the fact of the matter is people will be remembering and dissecting these movies for years and years to come, and I don't think they'll do that for what are simply "fine superhero movies."

Luv Matt Rooney's sarcasm

In all seriousness, I could not forget the experience after the movie was screened in an IMAX theatre. And it happened during both times that I had seen the movie at an IMAX cinema. When the screen faded to Black, people ( mix of adults and young adults) simply stayed in their seats. People were not waiting for a traditional post-credits scene because it was disclosed that there would be none ( and people who had seen it previously confirmed that). People were either collecting themselves after such a tearful ending...or doing a personal retrospective on the long journey of Wolverine culminating in this end-story and absorbing the overall impact...or people were stunned that a dark journey of a superhero could possibly lift such a story to such cinematic glory. Whichever it was, people were feeling the special impact of such a cinematic experience to end a beloved hero's saga!


Jo


Btw, here is JoBlo's background and how it became one of the most respected movie sites now. Check out the history of the site, on the right.


www.facebook.com/joblomovienetwork

[jo]

The Guillermo del Toro sings high praise of LOGAN!

Very richly deserved! Congratulations again!


www.cbr.com/guillermo-del-toro-explains-logan/

Guillermo del Toro Explains Why Logan is the "Best of Its Kind"
by Noah Dominguez – on Jan 13, 2019 in Movies, Movie News


Just under two years after 20th Century Fox's era-ending X-Men spinoff Logan first captivated audiences the world over, renowned director Guillermo del Toro (The Shape of Water, Hellboy) is still singing the film's praises.
In a Twitter thread, del Toro explained that he recently rewatched the film and voiced his admiration for its aesthetic, story and action, as well as the amount of depth it added to Fox's X-Men film universe.


"Watching [James Mangold's] Logan again and I a struck by the Zen-Western, elegiac poetry of its script and the spartan brutality of its action," del Toro said. "It's that rare breed of film that enhances the mythology it closes. It better the films that preceded it. On of the very best of its kind."
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"The way [Mangold] stages action is extremely intricate but he makes it all feel deceivingly raw - the craftsmanship in said staging - and its technical difficulty - goes by most viewers unnoticed - as it should be - but, without ever being vulgar and showy it is, however, superb," he continued. "I was also struck by how prescient it is. I would beg you to watch it NOW and not see frightening parallels with today's news."



The director was also sure to compliment the nuanced way Logan implemented the 1953 film Shane into its story.
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"When [Mangold] echoes Shane, he is not doing so as a post-modern wink and nudge, he is taking a mantle and carrying it," del Toro explained. "The two gunslingers (DNA cloned) will face each other at the end, there will be chases, shootouts, ranchers, trains, desert vistas, horses and a final bullet..."

Directed by James Mangold, Logan stars Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, Boyd Holbrook, Stephen Merchant, Richard E. Grant and Dafne Keen. The film is currently available on Blu-ray and Digital HD.

@realgdt
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8h

In many ways, the Western has always been a moral / spiritual genre, essential to North American colonial myth. I find it moving when it mixes or is looked at through the prism of late 20th and early 21st century concerns (comics or sci-fi) like, LOGAN or BACK TO THE FUTURE III

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Guillermo del Toro
@realgdt


When
@mang0ld
echoes SHANE, he is not doing so as a post-modern wink and nudge, he is taking a mantle and carrying it. The two gunslingers (DNA cloned) will face each other at the end, there will be chases, shootouts, ranchers, trains, desert vistas, horses and a final bullet...

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Guillermo del Toro
@realgdt

I was also struck by how prescient it is. I would beg you to watch it NOW and not see frightening parallels with today's news.

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Guillermo del Toro

@realgd
The way
@mang0ld
stages action is extremely intricate but he makes it all feel deceivingly raw- the craftsmanship in said staging - and its technical difficulty - goes by most viewers unnoticed -as it should be - but, without ever being vulgar and showy it is, however, superb.


****************************


Guillermo del Toro
@realgdt

Watching
@mang0ld
's LOGAN again I am struck by the Zen-Western, elegiac poetry of its script and the spartan brutality of its action. It's that rare breed of film that enhances the mythology it closes. It betters the films that preceded it. One of the very best of its kind.

[jo]

[jo]

[jo]

These moments are really the beginning of the feeling that the poignant scene between Wolverine and his mentor may be an indication that the epilog of this movie will not be a happy one!


Jo