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Post by hughmanity on Jan 23, 2018 19:36:49 GMT -5
Not to mention Denzel's film garnered neither commercial or critical success. On the topic of Logan nom., I REALLY would have been annoyed if Wonder Woman had gotten any recognition over it...yes, I know I'm being childish! LOGAN definitely deserved a Best Picture slot. Hugh served a Best Actor nod, too. His gut-wrenching performance is the heart of the movie and sets it apart from any superhero movie ever made. I saw PHANTOM THREAD. DDL is ok but the slyest perf in that film is by Lesley Manville, who deserves her nomination. And if I can be politically incirrect here, why is a nomination virtually assured for Denzel Washington, no matter the film? Another impassioned lawyer movie—really? What does that add to the canon? I enjoyed GET OUT—but as satisfying as Kaluuya’s and the other performances are, they are not the shining feature of the movie; rather the very deserved nods for writing and directing this clever social satire and new take on a horror film. I can envision many good actors in Kaluuya’s role; not so the case with LOGAN. These are just my opinions, of course and therefore subjective. But I do think AMPAS, in a laudable move to correct past wrongs, has overcorrected itself to the detriment of recognizing truly exceptional achievements. Ellen |
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Post by carouselkathy on Jan 23, 2018 19:50:13 GMT -5
Not to mention Denzel's film garnered neither commercial or critical success. On the topic of Logan nom., I REALLY would have been annoyed if Wonder Woman had gotten any recognition over it...yes, I know I'm being childish! LOGAN definitely deserved a Best Picture slot. Hugh served a Best Actor nod, too. His gut-wrenching performance is the heart of the movie and sets it apart from any superhero movie ever made. I saw PHANTOM THREAD. DDL is ok but the slyest perf in that film is by Lesley Manville, who deserves her nomination. And if I can be politically incirrect here, why is a nomination virtually assured for Denzel Washington, no matter the film? Another impassioned lawyer movie—really? What does that add to the canon? I enjoyed GET OUT—but as satisfying as Kaluuya’s and the other performances are, they are not the shining feature of the movie; rather the very deserved nods for writing and directing this clever social satire and new take on a horror film. I can envision many good actors in Kaluuya’s role; not so the case with LOGAN. These are just my opinions, of course and therefore subjective. But I do think AMPAS, in a laudable move to correct past wrongs, has overcorrected itself to the detriment of recognizing truly exceptional achievements. Ellen Does this mean that THE FRONTRUNNER may result in acting nominations as "make-up noms" for LOGAN not getting recognized? I know the Academy has done this type of thing in the past. I guess Denzel's nom is really for FENCES. Right? |
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Post by hughmanity on Jan 23, 2018 19:52:00 GMT -5
From the Telegraph regarding this year's snubs:
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Hugh Jackman has been playing Wolverine for almost two decades. Given the chance to show the character as a vulnerable, decrepit older self, he brought an almost Shakespearean gravity to the role (brilliantly supported by Sir Patrick Stewart as a senile Professor X). Oscar voters tend to turn up their noses at superhero movies, and should be commended for giving Logan a Best Adapted screenplay nomination. But Jackman’s performance truly transcends the genre.
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Post by hughmanity on Jan 23, 2018 20:21:20 GMT -5
Except he WAS nominated for FENCES I believe...anyway wouldnt mind if you are right about next year..lol.. Not to mention Denzel's film garnered neither commercial or critical success. On the topic of Logan nom., I REALLY would have been annoyed if Wonder Woman had gotten any recognition over it...yes, I know I'm being childish! Does this mean that THE FRONTRUNNER may result in acting nominations as "make-up noms" for LOGAN not getting recognized? I know the Academy has done this type of thing in the past. I guess Denzel's nom is really for FENCES. Right? |
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Post by mamaleh on Jan 23, 2018 20:32:18 GMT -5
Humanity, good point. Had WONDER WOMAN been recognized to the exclusion of LOGAN, I think my head would have exploded. (Let's be children together.).  Still, I can't wait for the day when the Academy Awards decides making a statement takes a back seat to acknowledging true excellence. Ellen |
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Post by jo on Jan 24, 2018 0:59:35 GMT -5
Someone commented that Hugh did not get a nod because of 3 things -- *He is white *He is male *He is not LGBT plus -- *He did not speak against Weinstein and Woody Allen *And for others, it is because he is not Hollywood royalty ( Streep, DDLewis, Denzel) For THE GREATEST SHOWMAN -- it looks like it may have been partly FOX's fault. *Negative buzz may have come from the studio itself, with word spreading around before film release that the movie is not Best Picture-worthy. Perhaps this was confirmed when they had to bring in James Mangold to help in the reshoots and maybe the final editing? And the critics ratings did not endorse the movie at all ( 54% currently at Rotten Tomatoes, vs the Audience Score of 90%). *No screeners were sent out for voter's consideration as far as the public knows,, except for THIS IS ME with a disc sent out with the music sheets ( of which a tweet was posted). In this case, the studio only submitted one song for the Best Original Song category perhaps so any 2 songs under consideration may result in cancelling out each other and leading to a song from another movie winning? *No campaign was waged by the studio for Oscar purposes. They were more intent on publicizing the movie for release purposes  For LOGAN -- when the Writers Guild earlier nominated the LOGAN Screenplay honors, I thought this could be a good signal that it just might also get the Oscar nomination. How? Because nominations for certain awards ( like Acting honors, directors, screenwriters, etc) come from the membership of the AMPAS that relate to the specific award. It is during the final AMPAS voting that the entire membership votes on each category. It is heartening to note that so many welcomed the nomination for the film's own artistic worth and for what it signaled for the genre. Too bad, it did not get sufficient votes to bring it into the Best Picture nomination fold! Fox did support the Oscar campaign -- they were the first to send out screeners/they allowed the download of the script/they held various re-screenings and Q&A's with Hugh and Mangold...and occasionally with Patrick. Hope THE FRONT RUNNER will give him the opportunity for another shot at a nomination and a win. Like Mangold, Jason Reitman can shepherd a nomination for his stars ( Ellen Page for JUNO) and he himself has been nominated twice for Best Director! Sigh... Jo |
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Post by jo on Jan 24, 2018 1:57:49 GMT -5
Remember the British actor who played Caliban, Stephen Merchant ?
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Post by jo on Jan 25, 2018 8:56:55 GMT -5
I think the ingredient that is missing in all the post-mortems about LOGAN's milestone-setting, breaking-down-barriers accomplishment is how Hugh Jackman and James Mangold collaborated together on the approach and final storytelling output for the end-story of Hugh's Wolverine. *Remember when Hugh announced that the movie will be his " One Last Time" in telling the saga of Wolverine? That was in early 2015 -- http://instagr.am/p/0x7TKcihJw To which James responded -- In July 2015, Hugh sent out this Instagram photo -- http://instagr.am/p/5qJTvZChO3 *Then he proceeded to ask fans through social media what elements they want touched upon and integrated into the movie. He was inundated with so many suggestions. And for all we know, Hugh must have borne some of those ideas in mind. *Hugh openly shared ... presumably after much discussions with James and wading through all the fan response ... that it evolved in his mind what the basic elements of the storyline should/could be. He shared that he was so excited that he put down these story elements formally and presumably sent it to James for discussion. Presumably the first idea on the storyline and tone of the movie came from those early discussions. *In the meantime, he had to pause and complete his other commitments. I remember James tweeting ( probably partly in jest) how he has been laboring quietly and thinking plot and character ideas while Hugh was kept busy ( see above). Hugh was busy not only with his film commitments ( he completed his PAN promo, his Wolverine cameo in Apocalypse) but also with his Broadway to Oz concert . In early 2016, things were coming to a head for two film projects for Hugh, which also happened to be both passion projects for him. *I am not sure of the sequence but they may have approached Fox with simply some basic ideas and scope of the project to get an initial reaction from the studio. In late 2015 / early 2016, it seems James and his team had completed the first draft. This was likely what was presented for the Fox greenlight. But it was a totally different proposition -- it was going to be very different from the usual XMen movies and it was going to likely be rated "R" (not to pay lip service to the rating per se, but to be able to explore filmmaking- wise all the creative ways of telling the final tale). Hugh says he was quite surprised that the idea was readily accepted by FOX. *However, given the likely limits imposed by an R rating on box office potential, the project was given only a moderate budget ( less than $ 100 million) for superhero movies...and if stories are true, Hugh had also offered a pay cut just to make sure project profitability is assured. *While Hugh was getting to do his final workshop for THE GREATEST SHOWMAN ( February 8 or 9, 2016), he and James ( and his team) were also polishing their script as they had to complete the movie in time for the announced release date of March 2017 ( announced by Fox much earlier, even before a script was approved). If I remember right, they started filming in May 2016 and completed the principal photography in mid August of the same year. *It was not a spec script offered by the screenwriting team - it was based on a likely fusion of Mangold and Jackman minds on how the story should go. Eventually, it was announced in the credits that the screenplay was based on a story created by James Mangold himself. But James did work closely with Hugh on what they both wanted for this finale movie. A lot of thought, aspirations, and hopes probably from both went into finalizing that final story. In a sense, when creative minds collaborate on a project which bears their shared thinking on how they want to tell the story, it is not a coincidence that the screenplay (that has now been made worthy of an Oscar nomination) eventually scripted from such an effort becomes an excellent and definitive piece of writing! So, how can this be a fluke?! It was not the AMPAS that first recognized the worth of the movie. The National Board of Review rated LOGAN as one of 2017's 10 best films. But it was the WRITERS GUILD which first accorded the honor of Best Adapted Screenplay to 5 movies, which included LOGAN! The honor was not a plain attempt for inclusivity of genre films ( that would be more of the AMPAS agenda) and since it is primarily the writers group who are AMPAS members that voted for the nominations, it already seemed that LOGAN would get that breakthrough nod! Now it would be up to the total AMPAS membership ( some 8000 voters) to vote upon who gets to win the Oscar for the category. Screenplay honors are as important as acting and directing honors - for the script represents the heart and soul of a movie. It is the talent of the actors that gives life to that script and it is the right touch of the director's hand than can ultimately give us a masterpiece. If you look at the IMDB Page for each film, the first info shown after the title is the Name of the Director followed by the Screenwriter and then the Acting Cast! That is why the screenplay is Big League! Will it win -- that depends on how much of the votes will reflect simply full artistic appreciation...or whether politics and social justice issues will rear their heads again in the decision. But whether it wins or not, LOGAN has already established the beachhead! As it is, it seems it has been influencing other film projects, too. Gerard Butler openly said that for his swan song in the action series ( Olympus Has Fallen, etc) the final movie will be inspired by LOGAN. And that is not strictly a superhero movie! Who knows - maybe Robert Downey, Jr., is also entertaining similar thoughts in his finale IronMan appearance? James and Hugh must be very pleased! PS: Sorry if I erred on some of the sequence of events. Jo |
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Post by jo on Jan 25, 2018 14:31:06 GMT -5
Can you believe this?! www.themarysue.com/wonder-woman-logan-2018-oscars/Someone raising the feminism issue re the Oscar nod for LOGAN and none for WONDER WOMAN! Rant all they want about not getting any Oscar favors...but to undermine the recognition given to LOGAN by insinuating that it received the nomination only because it is a male-centric movie ( lead and director)??!! This is why sometimes women are not respected for their ( our) convoluted thinking! To call LOGAN as simply the tale of a bearded man... I did check out social media reactions ... and at least people are sane enough to conclude that -- *Logan is the much better movie ... the best superhero/comicbook movie of 2017! *Wonder Woman while quite a good movie is not an Oscar-worthy movie. *That artistic value and not political relevance is the right way to reward film excellence. *If anything, it was LOGAN which was snubbed for a Best Picture nomination. Maybe AMPAS should start taking steps to abolish the OSCARS! It is being vilified by both sides -- those who think it should not go beyond artistic excellence...and those who think that political correctness and self-entitlement are material considerations. Why not just cast it into the bin of history ?? Jo |
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Post by hughmanity on Jan 25, 2018 15:02:43 GMT -5
Give me a break!! No, I cant believe this, Jo. Her whole argument crumbles anyway when one considers that four of the best picture noms ARE women's stories, including one directed by a female. Puh-lease. Can you believe this?! www.themarysue.com/wonder-woman-logan-2018-oscars/Someone raising the feminism issue re the Oscar nod for LOGAN and none for WONDER WOMAN! Rant all they want about not getting any Oscar favors...but to undermine the recognition given to LOGAN by insinuating that it received the nomination only because it is a male-centric movie ( lead and director)??!! This is why sometimes women are not respected for their ( our) convoluted thinking! To call LOGAN as simply the tale of a bearded man... I did check out social media reactions ... and at least people are sane enough to conclude that -- *Logan is the much better movie ... the best superhero/comicbook movie of 2017! *Wonder Woman while quite a good movie is not an Oscar-worthy movie. *That artistic value and not political relevance is the right way to reward film excellence. *If anything, it was LOGAN which was snubbed for a Best Picture nomination. Maybe AMPAS should start taking steps to abolish the OSCARS! It is being vilified by both sides -- those who think it should not go beyond artistic excellence...and those who think that political correctness and self-entitlement are material considerations. Why not just cast it into the bin of history ?? Jo |
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Post by jo on Jan 25, 2018 22:31:24 GMT -5
I think this is the point that resonates with those who have followed the Jackman Wolverine saga all these years -- the final portrayal came after a building block of portrayals which started on that day in a cage, being watched by a young woman who needed help.
Some movies in the franchise may not have sat well with critics and sometimes with the fans themselves, but all through the years Hugh's layering of the role in portrayals over 17 years did culminate in that shattering portrayal of LOGAN.
How many actors have been identified so much with a role that "a one-liner cameo" can steal an entire movie -- as that was the quintessential Wolverine...until one day age and disease and weariness sadly signaled that we are losing him soon! But not before a final act of redemption!
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Post by jo on Jan 25, 2018 22:39:38 GMT -5
Not to belabor the point, but that film blogger who dismissed the LOGAN Oscar nod for screenplay honors because she belived AMPAS was simply being male-centric did not understand what she was talking about!
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Post by jo on Jan 25, 2018 23:57:45 GMT -5
I was just watching an interview with Tom Hanks and the interviewer asked about how it was for a male to work with a female at certain levels - obviously about the relationship between Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee and publisher Kay Graham ( portrayed by Tom and Meryl in THE POST). Tom's answer : Gender has NO place in a meritocracy!Women who feel self-entitled because of their gender should take note! Including Ms Film Blogger  Jo |
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Post by jo on Jan 28, 2018 9:54:21 GMT -5
What a pity -- LOGAN is being recognized for its creative arts quality. Yet the AMPAS overlooked, unjustiably, the acting work of Jackman, Stewart, and Keen!
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Post by jo on Jan 28, 2018 11:35:49 GMT -5
Big grin on my face! I responded to the announcement of the win by Francois Audouy -- Guess who liked my tweet -- the new nominee for an Oscar adapted screenplay honors Jo |
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Big grin on my face! I responded to the announcement of the win by Francois Audouy -- Guess who liked my tweet -- the new nominee for an Oscar adapted screenplay honors Jo Francois Audouy liked it, too |
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